Disappointed Dragoon.

[VelKallor]

Honestly, it just looks to me as if you're looking for reasons to throw other people's opinions out the window. Instead of saying you don't care what the forums or what reddit thinks, maybe you should just say that you don't care what anyone thinks.

No. Wrong.

Each of us is free with an opinion, but I take exception this this attitude that anyone here speaks for the entire playerbase. They dont. No one does, save SE who have access to a vast pool of data and feedback.

Each of us has their own ideas, granted and agreed..but neither I nor anyone else speaks for us all.

That is my stance.

[Zsolen]

Not an attitude this Forum shares.

I'm rarely on here, because of this very reason. People be crazy.

[Rolder50]

Reddit is close to 90% AMERICAN and last i checked, the US isnt the only nation on the face of the planet. The FF 14 playerbase is diverse, coming from dozens of nations..and to be bluntly honest, Reddit as an 'accurate source" is utterly absurd, as they lean hard left running a system with a festering hivemind that downvotes and dogpiles on anyone who dares disagree with them.

If you're going to go that route, let me take a look over at the JP forums, and run some of their comments through DeepL for translation...

"Thank you so much for foregoing a major overhaul!
I really hope that you will make careful adjustments to this job, since it has been around since the beginning and many people love it."

"As someone who is mostly satisfied with the current Dragon Knight, I am honestly glad that the management has decided to take the time to make adjustments to make it a better job."

Definitely seems like it's not just the westerners who think dragoon is fine as is...

[Vatom]

Gold

Oh wait this is a Dragoon Complaint hoo boy thats a first

I mean really didn't know they exist, In all my days this is the first time Im seeing this :O

[DixieBellOCE]

I feel as if I was conditioned to believe that the developers of this game listen to their community, so I wasn't really worried about the future of this game. But despite all of the new amazing content I am looking forward to from the Live Letter, I am now at a loss for if I will even be able to enjoy it as I would like to.

They have decided to move forward with a dragoon rework and I was personally really caught off guard. Previously they stated they were considering major changes to DRG but when the entire DRG playerbase said that the job was in a perfect or near-perfect spot, I assumed DRG would be left alone or only given some small tweaks centered around DH/Crit and Battle Litany/Life Surge. But they recently announced a full rework IS coming in 6.2

As a DRG main, I also personally felt that dragoon is perfect to play and the only things that have ever annoyed or bothered me was things that were at the end of the day, me as a player failing in that moment, and not actual problems with the job (like jumps locking you in place and perhaps because of this you eat a p4s sword).

So what is the deal here? Are the developers really just ignoring the entire playerbase of this job and changing it despite protestations?

lets be honest, they have said NOTHING about whats changing.

For all you know they could just be giving you the GNB treatment and consolidating buttons to save bloat.

Wait it out before commenting.

[VentVanitas]

lets be honest, they have said NOTHING about whats changing.

And that's the problem. They didn't say they were removing Kaiten from SAM until 2 weeks before 6.1 dropped.

For all you know they could just be giving you the GNB treatment and consolidating buttons to save bloat.

With SE's track record, I doubt it. They already made the Mirage Dive change, anything more is superfluous.

Wait it out before commenting.

Heard this before with Healers, DRK, MCH, MNK (multiple times with MNK especially), SAM, etc. We have enough history of the dev team's flops with job changes to warrant scepticism.

[nezumiku]

lets be honest, they have said NOTHING about whats changing.

For all you know they could just be giving you the GNB treatment and consolidating buttons to save bloat.

Wait it out before commenting.

There isn't button bloat on Dragoon though, it actually has the last amount of actions compared to every other job I have at 90... My GNB, DRK, NIN, RPR, RDM, and PLD all force more binds. And this isn't even accounting for the fact that I have mirage dive still bound on my hotbar even though you no longer need to. Dragoon has a lot of inputs during their rotation but they don't have button bloat.

and if we take this at face value anyway, the only changes that people ever mention to improve "button bloat" is consolidating Fang and Claw and Wheeling thrust into one button (which would feel terrible and remove the "flow" state of alternating between the two) and removing life surge and just baking its buff into heavens' thrust (which I wouldn't really care about happening, but is more of a "make it less busy" change than a "make them have less binds" change).

[Jeeqbit]

Dragoon got into a perfect place in Shadowbringers where it's really fun and it still is in Endwalker. I couldn't play it properly before Shadowbringers. It'll be unfortunate if they do some sort of monk-like rework to it when it's in a perfect place right now.

I used to enjoy Monk as a main DPS in Shadowbringers. I still haven't got the hang of the new system properly but it feels like it was inspired by Samurai. If people wanted a Samurai they could just play that.

Which makes me wonder if Dragoon will be made to copy Reaper.

[Deveryn]

Machinists warned everyone. Then the healers spoke up. Crafting was hard nerfed. Tanks said things were getting homogenous. Summoners and monks started to realize things were wrong. Samurai was lucky it wasn't butchered too much. Dragoon is next. Ninja might be in trouble, if this keeps up.

Summoner was legit broken. I suspect other jobs had their own issues.

If there were any good points made that could have been taken into consideration, they likely got lost in the static that seems to take over these conversations.

[xbahax92]

If there is one thing that doesn't work in FF14, its the discord between the playerbase and devs.
Devs have their own mindset, while players get to experience gameplay most. It's really sad to see that some of the devs are stubborn.