Hildibrand for relic? Really?

[IkaraGreydancer]

I didnt say there werent "anime moments" but they were indeed darker themed, the main cast had consequences and didnt get everything handed to them so there was a proper balance between light hearted and darker and meaningful. Whereas now its heavily skewed towards fluff light hearted moments and the main cast always getting what they want with 0 consequences. But sure, denounce it as a fetish if thats what helps you understand these things. ?Yet you claim to not argue in bad faith in other threads lmao please.

Either way i would rather actually get a canon story that contributes to the world building and lore of the game rather than a series of comedy non-canon side quests that contribute very little to the story but....seeing as how fanserive and cute adorable moments gets everyone screaming and crying i guess thats the crowd theyre catering to now.

Keep your personal gripe with me out of it. I said it SEEMS as if thats the case. Never called anyone wrong or stupid for it. I swear every chance you get you have to try and pin me on something and it's pathetic. I'll say again PUT ME ON IGNORE if youre so pressed my dude.

I don't think things are heavily skewed at all. In fact I'd like to find out how much of EW is serious and how much of EW is light. Like time wise. Just for curiosities sake. And it's so weird, cause when EW IS serious alot of you guys just call it "streamer/Twitter bait with no substance". There is no winning for the writing team with you guys it seems. The story can't have fun, can't let the characters rest, has to kill folks off etc. To be worth anything. Also you claim everything is handed to the scions...which is objectively false. Takes like these is why some folks come here and clown on you guys man.

[aveyond-dreams]

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Except the writing team did win in Heavensward, the Doman Arc of Stormblood, and (specifically) the base Shadowbringers MSQ before things went off the rails in the patches. The Ultima Thule nonsense? That wasn't serious, that was something that no small amount of players saw through immediately and realized it would be a giant fakeout zone but every streamer that has gone through it ends up with "the feels!"

More and more people are agreeing with and waking up to the fact that Endwalker suffered from horrendous pacing for an expansion set against the literal apocalypse. However, more and more compromises are being made in favor of the meme-loving Hildibrand and haha catboy burger crowd while the rest of us who wanted a coherent story that respected itself at the bare minimum are being pushed further and further away, straight into the arms of whatever title manages to provide the experience we're looking for.

When FFXVI releases if this game is still in the state that it's in now in terms of its story and content, then why should I bother returning if other single player titles release in succession during the leadup to FFVII: Rebirth which won't be that far off from 7.0? Goodness help FFXIV if Dragon Age 4 manages to actually release, because then who knows how long I'll be absent for while I play that. Should I seriously bother going through another expansion of these job changes and new writing direction that goes directly against the kind of storytelling that made me fall in love with this game in Heavensward?

[KizuyaKatogami]

Keep your personal gripe with me out of it. I said it SEEMS as if thats the case. Never called anyone wrong or stupid for it. I swear every chance you get you have to try and pin me on something and it's pathetic. I'll say again PUT ME ON IGNORE if youre so pressed my dude.

I don't think things are heavily skewed at all. In fact I'd like to find out how much of EW is serious and how much of EW is light. Like time wise. Just for curiosities sake. And it's so weird, cause when EW IS serious alot of you guys just call it "streamer/Twitter bait with no substance". There is no winning for the writing team with you guys it seems. The story can't have fun, can't let the characters rest, has to kill folks off etc. To be worth anything. Also you claim everything is handed to the scions...which is objectively false. Takes like these is why some folks come here and clown on you guys man.

It was completely irrelevant to even state. Why say it in the first place? I dont have a personal gripe with you i just find your hypocrisy funny. The only "serious moments" in EW are nameless or irrelevent npcs being kiilled off. Everything is handed to the scions. thancred even laments at the end of Ew that acocmplished averting a universe decimating apocalypse with not even a scratch to show for it. Theyre brought back to life over and over again and never have to actually suffer anything despite that being this expansions theme. Compare that to ARR or Hw where the main cast actually had to make long lasting sacrifices and faced consequences for their actions and had losses....you know, the theme song for this expansions? Loss and fire? Where the loss on the main cast side this expansion? As for the clowning....i dont think this community has the right to clown on anyone considering the community managers for this game are diaper wearing fetishists but i digress...

[IkaraGreydancer]

It was completely irrelevant to even state. Why say it in the first place? I dont have a personal gripe with you i just find your hypocrisy funny. The only "serious moments" in EW are nameless or irrelevent npcs being kiilled off. Everything is handed to the scions. thancred even laments at the end of Ew that acocmplished averting a universe decimating apocalypse with not even a scratch to show for it. Theyre brought back to life over and over again and never have to actually suffer anything despite that being this expansions theme. Compare that to ARR or Hw where the main cast actually had to make long lasting sacrifices and faced consequences for their actions and had losses....you know, the theme song for this expansions? Loss and fire? Where the loss on the main cast side this expansion? As for the clowning....i dont think this community has the right to clown on anyone considering the community managers for this game are diaper wearing fetishists but i digress...

Only full on Scion deaths were Papy and Moen iirc. ARR and HW was full of nameless npc deaths. Yet that's OK but not in EW. And did you really just use a joke Thancred made...as evidence that it was all handed to them...like legit did you just do that? I guess the scions sacrificing themselves to pave the way for us with no guarantee on their part to come back is just a nothing burger. Hell didn't Thancred stop Meteion from finishing us off right then n there on the ship? Am I dumb or did these things not happen? And sure the threat of turning didn't effect the scions but thats due to them all having solid foundations as people. Same for folks like Vtra and the Sharlayans. This is stuff built up from years ago. Characters of that caliber aren't going to just constantly suffer n suffer when new things arise. (Maybe they still would if they didnt take ample to time rest and avoid burnout which is also something folks dont like it seems). And if they did I'd bet you'd call that boring cause then them suffering would be the norm and samey.
Also on wat basis are you claiming CMs are diaper wearing fetishist? And you call ME a hypocrite. Come on man..

[Rolder50]

I guess the scions sacrificing themselves to pave the way for us with no guarantee on their part to come back is just a nothing burger

It's a nothing burger because Hydaelyn literally hands you the McGuffin needed to bring them back immediately before that point, removing any possible tension.

[IkaraGreydancer]

It's a nothing burger because Hydaelyn literally hands you the McGuffin needed to bring them back immediately before that point, removing any possible tension.

Yet without the sacrifices we wouldn't be able to progress. So it isn't a nothing burger. And that "mcguffin" literally was just an enhanced version of what we already did with our stone. Call people. Again she just give it a function to restore bodies which are just aether anyways. Not far fetched at all especially considering the fact she knows creation magics. Emet created a whole damn city and that was ok with folks xD

ANYWAYS this has turned into yet another "EW is bad" thread unfortunately. I'm just hoping the relics quests are fun. Not a big Hildi fan myself but certainly don't hate him. Should be interesting to see what they have it store for us.

Far as others, if you don't like it don't do it. That solution is fairly simple. Not every piece of content in the game is going to be liked by everyone. Same for everything else in the game