Finally something to be hyped about

[RyuDragnier]

wasn't ocean fishing, explorer mode and crafters/gathers changes introduced in 5.2 or it was later and i misremember?

*pulls out microscope*
Patch notes for 5.2 say...Ocean Fishing was definitely added there, and the fisher changes (the exclamation points) were done there as well. Crafting calculations window was also added, with a few changes to crafting rotations (lost 2 abilities, gained 2 it looked like?). So it wasn't the BIG one, but it did have some changes there. Nothing on Explorer Mode, so that may have been 5.3.

[Kaurhz]

People have been asking for savage 4 man dungeons and who expected them to announce it? Pretty amazing in my view. I saw the first part of the introduction and saw that word CASUAL and thought oh god now people will not be happy.

Not that I'm on that spectrum, but I think even with the tag people will need to temper their expectations of the difficulty regardless. To put it into perspective -- Is it actually savage, or is it 'Endsinger will be equivalent to the earlier floors of savage' savage? (They did oversell and overextend on the difficulty of Endsinger, after all) Or is it savage because an underpinning mechanic is that all methods of resurrection are prohibited?

[Lustre]

New dungeon.
New trial.
New variant dungeon.
New criterion dungeon.
New criterion dungeon (savage).
New raids.
New savage raids.
And a lot of other things such as popular quests and a beast tribe.
New relics.

But I have no doubt people on these forums will find a way to say there is less content.

You missed the part where it gets drip-fed. If we get all of this content I wont complain, but I'll be very very surprised if it's all there on launch.

[KaitoAsaha]

You missed the part where it gets drip-fed. If we get all of this content I wont complain, but I'll be very very surprised if it's all there on launch.

Let them trash the other side of this argument. Sometimes a W is needed.

[LaylaTsarra]

Not that I'm on that spectrum, but I think even with the tag people will need to temper their expectations of the difficulty regardless. To put it into perspective -- Is it actually savage, or is it 'Endsinger will be equivalent to the earlier floors of savage' savage? (They did oversell and overextend on the difficulty of Endsinger, after all) Or is it savage because an underpinning mechanic is that all methods of resurrection are prohibited?

I guess that remains to be seen obviously. The limited resurrection issues remind me of BA and DRS so that component proves to be an interesting addition. Personally I don't do savage but these dungeons are something I might very well give a try. I have a group of friends who are looking forward to it so we'll see how that goes.

I was happy to see that they at least appear to be giving the savage raiders and midcore content a spin with these 4 man dungeons and personally I was happy to see it given I know there are many who have been asking for that content for awhile.

[ReynTime]

New criterion dungeon.
New criterion dungeon (savage).

This is what's actually new. You're welcome.

[Ryaze]

But but we're supposed to be getting less content no? It's all people talk about here. And yeah they blew it out of the water with Criterion Dungeons.

They blew it out of the water? They literally showed off nothing. When Thornmarch (hard) is referenced as "very difficult" and in need revamping, you really think this is going to be that good?

There is no announced content coming in 6.2 proper. The bare minimum. All the "meat" of 6.2 is coming with 6.25, not even a 6.21 for "casual" content like Island Sanctuary. Island Sanctuary is apparently so riddled with bugs 7 months after expansion launch when it's been billed as a major feature of the expansion that they can't even show off video until a month+ later with the next PLL? Are you're blown out of the water by a few power point slides?

is it me or most of the major stuff pushed to 6.25 and 6.2 is basically just new raid tier, new msq and just new extreme?

Yea, there's nothing in the main patch. The absolute bare minimum. And once again Beast Tribe is being pushed to the X.X5 patch instead of with the main patch.

That always happens. Literally too, the x.2 patch is the MSQ/Raid/EX and x.25 is the new side stuff. It has been like that for...I forget how many expansions now.

It literally does not always happen. Go back and look through some patch notes bud. While larger content often does get added in subsequent patches, it's looking like there will be no 6.21 content added this time around, content that would have been added to a main patch being relegated to X.X5, and minor to moderate updates/new game systems not being added to the main patch at all.

Slice is Right and Mahjong added in 5.1 proper.
The Falling City of Nym tileset for Leap of Faith and Ocean Fishing added to 5.2 proper.

Where is the engaging, interactive content with replayability for 6.2?

[Haventale]

I’m pretty excited for theses Variant/Criterion Dungeons. It’s definitely what I’m most looking forward to this expansion. Finally something new!

[LaylaTsarra]

They blew it out of the water? They literally showed off nothing. When Thornmarch (hard) is referenced as "very difficult" and in need revamping, you really think this is going to be that good?

They are calling it savage. That certainly sets the expectations for savage raiders don't you think. Maybe wait to see more. The next live letter will have more details. Perhaps they should have stopped when they announced it as casual content as first then went on to say more.

[Lustre]

I will say that the new variant dungeons seem good. I'm quite excited for more difficult 4 man content.