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  1. #21
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    Sigh, 'nother bandaid fix for the cursed dresser.

    Reminder that the data needed for the dresser is way more than the data needed for a proper glamour log.

    There are over 10k pieces of armor, each which can be stored as a bit... Or seeing as most comes of sets of 5 (head,chest,glove,legs,boots) and tiers (ivalice of fending/maiming...) you can compress most of that number down to 2000/1500-300 bits.

    Meanwhile one slot in the glamour dresser needs at least 16 bits due to remembering the item id. With 800 slots puts us now at... 12800 bits...
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    Last edited by GrizzlyTank; 07-01-2022 at 11:05 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GrizzlyTank View Post
    Reminder that the data needed for the dresser is way more than the data needed for a proper glamour log.
    And the work to put in that "proper glamour log" is an indeterminate amount of reworks to core inventory systems and basic item tracking.

    So while we can acknowledge the system isn't and will never be "enough" for everyone, can we also acknowledge they are doing what they can without requiring a fundamental rework of the game?
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    Quote Originally Posted by TaleraRistain View Post
    There were already people in the Twitch chat complaining it wasn't enough the second it was announced.
    Because it's not.

    People said 200 was enough, it clearly wasn't. Then suddenly 400 was the magic number. It clearly wasn't, either. Now 800 is fine? It's like a broken record at this point. We'll be right back in the same place in a year or so.

    It's certainly a welcome change and I'm glad they're doing it, but they need to prioritize actually fixing the system eventually.
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  4. #24
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    Quote Originally Posted by Krotoan View Post
    And the work to put in that "proper glamour log" is an indeterminate amount of reworks to core inventory systems and basic item tracking.

    So while we can acknowledge the system isn't and will never be "enough" for everyone, can we also acknowledge they are doing what they can without requiring a fundamental rework of the game?
    They don't need fundamental rework of the game. They have already implemented various methods of generating and retrieving items such as through achievements, salvager and item coffers containing multiple pieces of equipment. There are even achievements when you present items to get said achievement, all the way back form ARR.
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    Last edited by GrizzlyTank; 07-01-2022 at 11:13 PM.

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    It’s just humour that hasn’t translated well IMO.

    They do need to figure out a better long term solution though. Without a doubt
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  6. #26
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arzalis View Post
    Because it's not.

    People said 200 was enough, it clearly wasn't. Then suddenly 400 was the magic number. It clearly wasn't, either. Now 800 is fine? It's like a broken record at this point. We'll be right back in the same place in a year or so.

    It's certainly a welcome change and I'm glad they're doing it, but they need to prioritize actually fixing the system eventually.
    Just gotta double that number five more times and they will cover all the games items... for now!
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    So, the Producer indicated that a feature they announced months ago was actually going live in a future patch and people are complaining the announcement should have included more than they promised?

    Or is the OP's complaint due to the fact that they don't speak Japanese and someone else with an unknown agenda provided a translation that may or may not have been on-the-spot?

    As always, humor/sarcasm/irony/whatever do not translate well and are misinterpreted in the oddest ways by people who read a translation of what was actually said without actual context. It's a Live Letter, meaning that it isn't explicitly scripted for the World Audience to incorporate nuance.
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  8. #28
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    Quote Originally Posted by GrizzlyTank View Post
    They don't need fundamental rework of the game. They have already implemented various methods of generating and retrieving items such as achievements, salvager and item coffers containing multiple pieces of equipment. There are even achievements when you present items to get said achievement, all the way back form ARR.
    All of which work off achievements or one time transactions which do not track any customization of items, just present or not. The issue is that right now the only way to make what you're asking for (such as GW2's or WoWs log) , is a rework of how glamours function. Right now they are data on top of data and as they are considered inventory are likely subject to the weird constant verification of items we have going.

    To remove this restriction requires changing the way the game looks at glamours altogether. It's not impossible, it's just tearing down a system that has been around since incredibly early game which will likely break countless other systems.
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    The times they say they're listening to player feedback gets unnoticed/called chirping "copy/paste" placation, but a sardonic, sarcastic joke is the worst thing in the universe? /shrug IDK... it didn't seem that serious to me at least.
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  10. #30
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    Quote Originally Posted by Krotoan View Post
    All of which work off achievements or one time transactions which do not track any customization of items, just present or not. The issue is that right now the only way to make what you're asking for (such as GW2's or WoWs log) , is a rework of how glamours function. Right now they are data on top of data and as they are considered inventory are likely subject to the weird constant verification of items we have going.

    To remove this restriction requires changing the way the game looks at glamours altogether. It's not impossible, it's just tearing down a system that has been around since incredibly early game which will likely break countless other systems.
    If you make a glamour log keep track of "customization" you have already failed at it's intended purpose. It should know nothing other than if you have something unlocked or not which is what achievements/minion log/triple triad cards already do. And if a glamour need a "physical" version of it to be able to apply then they could implement "invisible/inaccessible" inventory slots that will temporary hold items you use for glamouring and delete/replace those whenever you swap out a glamour.
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    Last edited by GrizzlyTank; 07-01-2022 at 11:31 PM.

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