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    Quote Originally Posted by fulminating View Post
    I'm really curious about what exactly you like about it, noone ever gets as far as articulating just what it is that they find compelling.

    On a similar note, genuinely what difference do you see between current level 50 and 90 summoner, and lv50 ShB summoner?
    As others have commented over the years, the pet AI was not ideal for the original summoner. That said, I do miss having the flexibility to choose a constantly-out summoner like summoners in other games, and choosing to have things like Titan tank for solo content or choose which DPS egi I wanted in group content. It took me some time to get used to not having that anymore. I miss Shadowflare, but I feel they just gave that back to us with Garuda's cast-time skill so I'm okay with not having that anymore.

    I don't personally miss having to set up dots and use bane, as it was often annoying and a lot of content things die before you feel like you even added much to some encounters. Summoners often come as a Dot class in many MMOs but it really didn't work well for me here even though in games like AION, I loved the summoner class which was essentially a Dot-Mage with Pet like SMN was here.

    Honestly I don't remember LvL 50 ShB summoner because I was already level 70 when Shadowbringers came out, so the number of times I would have played the class at level 50 was minimal. I found Level 80 ShB Summoner needlessly chaoticand I recall the class being unpopular among casuals for that reason. I am a casual so my perspective is from that of a casual player.

    I mean, here are some comments about ShB summoner just from a google search:

    "Awful, got to 80, class didn't change from when i got everything at 72, and feels like a clunky fast paced "for cool factor" s***, ditched it yet again and now im leveling BLM, level 75 atm..."
    "Extremely hard to play with barely any raid damage (lol devotion every 3 minutes) and from what I've heard it does around the same damage as RDM (provided you play SMN optimally which you won't)."
    "It’s really clunky and annoying to play. I have a feeling they will change Smn again, just like with every expac lol. It’s tradition now."
    "It's one of the busiest classes in the game with mediocre dps and almost zero survivability, I'm not satisfied at all with it, will be changing mains until further patches. Also Egis might as well not exist, their damage is almost nill."

    Sure some did love the class by the end of ShB and there seems to be a ton of nostalgia for it here on this DPS forum, but I was among those who did not enjoy actually playing the class.

    I really enjoy the class now. Sure it's "simple" but there is a huge audience for simple, and there is still some skill expression for things like making sure I have carbuncle out instead of a Summon when I need to shield, or choosing the order of the summons based on whether the boss will be moving (Garuda) or if I have time for melee skills and cast time (Ifirit). It's also laid back so I can focus a lot on what's actually happening instead of looking for procs or watching dot countdowns constantly which I personally did not enjoy. Finally, I do love the animations as while people here think that is vapid, I love them and love the feeling of them.

    I often get 2 summoners as the DPS on my daily runs and see at least 3 every time I run casual 24 man content at 90 - so I have a feeling people outside the forums have been enjoying the class.
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    Last edited by ZephyrMenodora; 06-30-2022 at 02:44 AM.

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