Which part of summoner's rotation am I meant to find satisfying?

[Deveryn]

A "real pet job" is a pipe dream in this game. I, for one, am happy they accepted this rather than trying to drag this any further and make it work. As far as I can tell, FF Summons were never persistent pets anyway, so let's just put that idea to rest and move on.

[pikalovr]

A "real pet job" is a pipe dream in this game. I, for one, am happy they accepted this rather than trying to drag this any further and make it work. As far as I can tell, FF Summons were never persistent pets anyway, so let's just put that idea to rest and move on.

a "real pet job" is a pipe dream because WE allowed it too. we should expect a multimillion dollar company to be able to create a good functioning pet job. not bin it and turn it into a completely different playstyle while not giving anything back to the players who genuinely enjoyed the pet playstyle despite how poorly it was handled.

and by saying hey yoshi-p and SE we're glad you lobotomized our kit to require no thinking outside of ifrit/garuda hardcast and making it feel barebones at 90. or the fact they got rid of it and basically pissed off an entire playstyle cause they didn't give anything back to them. all you're doing is opening the way for other jobs to get the same treatment. and then they'll start complaining their job was lobotomized and changed playstyles with nothing for them to turn too.

[Deveryn]

a "real pet job" is a pipe dream because WE allowed it too. we should expect a multimillion dollar company to be able to create a good functioning pet job. not bin it and turn it into a completely different playstyle while not giving anything back to the players who genuinely enjoyed the pet playstyle despite how poorly it was handled.

and by saying hey yoshi-p and SE we're glad you lobotomized our kit to require no thinking outside of ifrit/garuda hardcast and making it feel barebones at 90. or the fact they got rid of it and basically pissed off an entire playstyle cause they didn't give anything back to them. all you're doing is opening the way for other jobs to get the same treatment. and then they'll start complaining their job was lobotomized and changed playstyles with nothing for them to turn too.

Right, because money is the answer to everything.

Like I said, I've played plenty of MMOs where they've tried to have pet classes. Very few actually work well. In this game, with the way combat goes, it's just not happening. You need to step back and take some deep breaths or something. Take some time off.

We've been over why SMN had to change. To expect this kind of shift in other jobs is honestly ridiculous. None have been so broken as SMN. Frankly, it never should've been a pet class to begin with. We're glad the fix finally came and now's the time to move forward and help them find a better way forward with this job.

If you don't have anything constructive to add, then you're just as guilty as you accuse us of being.

[tearagion]

Right, because money is the answer to everything.

Like I said, I've played plenty of MMOs where they've tried to have pet classes. Very few actually work well. In this game, with the way combat goes, it's just not happening. You need to step back and take some deep breaths or something. Take some time off.

We've been over why SMN had to change. To expect this kind of shift in other jobs is honestly ridiculous. None have been so broken as SMN. Frankly, it never should've been a pet class to begin with. We're glad the fix finally came and now's the time to move forward and help them find a better way forward with this job.

If you don't have anything constructive to add, then you're just as guilty as you accuse us of being.

People seem to remember ff11 summoner quite fondly, which was thoroughly a pet job, as was beastmaster, as was puppetmaster. That's just the same franchise, let alone "plenty of MMOs". The one who isn't being constructive is you.

[Deveryn]

People seem to remember ff11 summoner quite fondly, which was thoroughly a pet job, as was beastmaster, as was puppetmaster. That's just the same franchise, let alone "plenty of MMOs". The one who isn't being constructive is you.

I played FFXI summoner and it was pretty much like the way XIV summoner is now. It was impossible to actually maintain a summon other than carbuncle. You summoned x for y benefit and switched back to Carb.

FFXI combat never involved the huge packs of mobs and all that we see here. (Someone can correct me as I only played for a couple years early on.)

We can go on and on in circles about the past and other game's systems, but they won't change the fact that in this world, there are certain restrictions that prevent the ideal pet job from properly existing here. People can talk about money and other AIs all they want. Don't look at us like it was our fault. The system just didn't work.

[tearagion]

I played FFXI summoner and it was pretty much like the way XIV summoner is now.

Actual pets with a tangible presence in the game world, that have a meaningful duration, that have multiple abilities, and aren't hard locked with an idiot-proof sticker gauge is pretty much the same as a reused asset spell effect that gives you ruin 3++? How do you figure? Not saying FFXI summoner is perfect the Avatars were pretty poorly balanced, but what the fuck are you saying.

Oh yeah, word, FFXIV has absolutely no non-player characters that execute abilities reliably and predictably. Learn to read between the lines: they weren't willing to make a DPS pet class work. Fairies are now very smooth to operate, it's not hard to stretch the imagination and see how a DPS pet class could function pleasurably.

[Dyvid]

I played FFXI summoner and it was pretty much like the way XIV summoner is now. It was impossible to actually maintain a summon other than carbuncle. You summoned x for y benefit and switched back to Carb.

No it most certainly does not. FFXI pets couldn't stay out because of developer made it consume massive amount of MP, not because of some spaghetti code. Even in the early days of FFXI you never kept Carby out because the Damage to MP cost ratio didn't justify the downtime which is why most SMN was SMN/WHM who mainly healed with occasional Summon to mitigate damage, (Stoneskin, Aerial Armor, Fenrir Roar). It was a sad joke.

The fact that we are still actively discussing SMN even after this redesign was supposed to "fix" the job just shows how much of a failure it was.

[Deveryn]

No it most certainly does not. FFXI pets couldn't stay out because of developer made it consume massive amount of MP

That's exactly what I meant by "impossible to maintain." Next time check for clarification? Ya'll are in such a mood to fight me.

[pikalovr]

Right, because money is the answer to everything.

Like I said, I've played plenty of MMOs where they've tried to have pet classes. Very few actually work well. In this game, with the way combat goes, it's just not happening. You need to step back and take some deep breaths or something. Take some time off.

We've been over why SMN had to change. To expect this kind of shift in other jobs is honestly ridiculous. None have been so broken as SMN. Frankly, it never should've been a pet class to begin with. We're glad the fix finally came and now's the time to move forward and help them find a better way forward with this job.

If you don't have anything constructive to add, then you're just as guilty as you accuse us of being.

i literally brought up a pet combat system that fixes nearly every issue people had but we'll just ignore that rq just like i explained how they approached it terribly but we'lla lso ignore that as well ig if you have nothing constructive to say shut up. you've done nothing but sit there and defend SE even when we have multiple examples of jobs being lobotomized you explain to me why AST lost sleeve draw and triple redraw go ahead give me one good reason beside "it's too harddddd" especially since they got rid of div relying on the RNG system and turned into just another 2 min CD go ahead give me one actual good reason

[Deveryn]

i literally brought up a pet combat system

I acknowledge it in pretty much every response, but you're so blinded by your rage. It doesn't matter what I say.