Which part of summoner's rotation am I meant to find satisfying?

[pikalovr]

Right, because money is the answer to everything.

Like I said, I've played plenty of MMOs where they've tried to have pet classes. Very few actually work well. In this game, with the way combat goes, it's just not happening. You need to step back and take some deep breaths or something. Take some time off.

We've been over why SMN had to change. To expect this kind of shift in other jobs is honestly ridiculous. None have been so broken as SMN. Frankly, it never should've been a pet class to begin with. We're glad the fix finally came and now's the time to move forward and help them find a better way forward with this job.

If you don't have anything constructive to add, then you're just as guilty as you accuse us of being.

i literally brought up a pet combat system that fixes nearly every issue people had but we'll just ignore that rq just like i explained how they approached it terribly but we'lla lso ignore that as well ig if you have nothing constructive to say shut up. you've done nothing but sit there and defend SE even when we have multiple examples of jobs being lobotomized you explain to me why AST lost sleeve draw and triple redraw go ahead give me one good reason beside "it's too harddddd" especially since they got rid of div relying on the RNG system and turned into just another 2 min CD go ahead give me one actual good reason

[Axxion]

Tbh I hate the Dragon Kick spam MNK with a burning passion too lol.
It's so stupid.
Especially because there's so few of us ( especially in harder content ).
The Optimal Drift rotation isn't even hard either I dunno why it gets overcomplicated to hell ( some of the graphs people have made that I've seen are truly cursed ).
It scares people away and into dumb rotations.

Oh honey you should have seen the reaction from my friends in discord when i showed them that. *chef kiss* reactions

you think that's depressing without macro delay, longer macros/chain macros, and a way to macro turning your camera. you could in this scenario macro an entire savage fight using the in game macro system. the only things that would even remotely require human interaction is for the few RNG mechanics we have like plumes in P3s or shackles in P1s for examples

At that point why play?

[pikalovr]

Oh honey you should have seen the reaction from my friends in discord when i showed them that. *chef kiss* reactions



At that point why play?

i mean people play content they can clear basically just running from point A to point B and occasionally hitting a button so?

[Axxion]

i mean people play content they can clear basically just running from point A to point B and occasionally hitting a button so?

[Deveryn]

People seem to remember ff11 summoner quite fondly, which was thoroughly a pet job, as was beastmaster, as was puppetmaster. That's just the same franchise, let alone "plenty of MMOs". The one who isn't being constructive is you.

I played FFXI summoner and it was pretty much like the way XIV summoner is now. It was impossible to actually maintain a summon other than carbuncle. You summoned x for y benefit and switched back to Carb.

FFXI combat never involved the huge packs of mobs and all that we see here. (Someone can correct me as I only played for a couple years early on.)

We can go on and on in circles about the past and other game's systems, but they won't change the fact that in this world, there are certain restrictions that prevent the ideal pet job from properly existing here. People can talk about money and other AIs all they want. Don't look at us like it was our fault. The system just didn't work.

[Deveryn]

i literally brought up a pet combat system

I acknowledge it in pretty much every response, but you're so blinded by your rage. It doesn't matter what I say.

[pikalovr]

I acknowledge it in pretty much every response, but you're so blinded by your rage. It doesn't matter what I say.

if you really "acknowledged" it you'd have realized that it did infact fix every issue most people had with the pets in this game, and could've easily been implemented in how even current sumoner works. you didn't acknowledge it you brushed it off like you do everything else cause heaven forbid SE does something wrong am i right? people like you are who piss me off you bring nothing to the table, except just sitting there nodding your head like a yes man to every little single change even as the game devolves into a walking simulator. just like you can't come up with one good reason to remove sleeve draw and the triple plannable redraw on AST can you? cause you can't and thats the point i'm trying to drill into your god damn head WAKE UP and see whats happening

yes SMN needed to be FIXED but lets just mess over the pet job playerbase right? instead of looking at literally any of those other MMOs with good pet jobs/combat and trying what they did, no lets just bin it and turn the egis into stances. you have plenty of people in these forums alone that have brought up interesting ways to do SMN while keeping the pet playstyle or how to fix the pets. but just ignore them ig other forums/media outlets also have brought up good ways to handle the SMN pet situation but once again why listen to those people when you can just bin the playstyle and turn it into a braindead job. which next expansion will see shit like "enhanced ruin 2" that will decrease radiant aegis CD by 5 seconds on hit and not even work with the ruin 4 upgrade mind you. despite it serving no purpose in literally all forms of content outside of oh no everyones dead and i'm tanking. and you still get two charges of it even then. and you'll just be sitting there shedding a tear going "beautiful" like they just didn't add in a worthless trait.

this is the shit i'm talking about, and yes money can solve everything it can hire people who can actually god damn balance and rework jobs without literally removing their playstyle or needing to cut almost every complex ability from the kit. amazing how when you have more people on your development team more stuff can get done or the same stuff can be done better to a higher degree of quality weird that right? it's almost as if common sense is something lacking in most of the playerbase. also you seriously doubt no one in the world could've gotten a proper pet system working? literally no one? cause guess what MONEY allows you to hire those people as well

[tearagion]

I played FFXI summoner and it was pretty much like the way XIV summoner is now.

Actual pets with a tangible presence in the game world, that have a meaningful duration, that have multiple abilities, and aren't hard locked with an idiot-proof sticker gauge is pretty much the same as a reused asset spell effect that gives you ruin 3++? How do you figure? Not saying FFXI summoner is perfect the Avatars were pretty poorly balanced, but what the fuck are you saying.

Oh yeah, word, FFXIV has absolutely no non-player characters that execute abilities reliably and predictably. Learn to read between the lines: they weren't willing to make a DPS pet class work. Fairies are now very smooth to operate, it's not hard to stretch the imagination and see how a DPS pet class could function pleasurably.

[Deveryn]

The game runs on whatever code they use, not imagination. There are clearly limits to what can be done. I'm a big fan of pet classes and played one every chance I got. I stuck it out through a lot of different bugs and issues in different games. I would have very much liked to see something functional here, but it's clear that it's not going to happen. I'm not brushing anything off, just accepting the reality of the situation.

btw, Read the full text again if you don't understand what it is I'm saying.

[fulminating]

I think the issue is the pet was nearly functional enough - they could have made its attacks instant so it could reposition and cast, they could have left positioning it as part of the skill ceiling, they could have removed the ability for demis to wander or whatever it was they did to the faeries to make them feel more responsive. They could even entirely decouple pet skills from the GCD. There was no need to throw the entire system out when it was so close.