Every inconvenience is a challenge.

[Peptaru]

First of all, your premise is highly highly highly faulty. It assumes that there is some universal concept of "easy" and "difficult" with the latter indicating long-term value. Different ppl find different things easy or difficult; Learning physics is hard as all get-out, etc. Learning your first language was easy..you didnt even exert much effort..and look what you can do with it now. There's no such thing as one size fits all. Here I thought this was common sense.

You used blanket statements about two things being easy or hard in a post that criticizes someone making blanket statements about things being easy or hard.... just sayin.

[Lux_Rayna]

You used blanket statements about two things being easy or hard in a post that criticizes someone making blanket statements about things being easy or hard.... just sayin.

You should probably read more carefully. The argument criticizes someone concluding that something is worthwhile based on blanket statements of easy or hard. My point is that easy or hard doesn't matter, as ppl have different opinions about them. My opinion is that

1) learning your language is easy
2) learning physics is hard

Based on that opinion i can only say "some ppl" or "Many" would find physics a waste of time, and I can say for a fact that learning your first language is worthwhile (otherwise you couldnt function in society).

[Xoo]

You should probably read more carefully. The argument criticizes someone concluding that something is worthwhile based on blanket statements of easy or hard. My point is that easy or hard doesn't matter, as ppl have different opinions about them. My opinion is that

1) learning your language is easy
2) learning physics is hard

Based on that opinion i can only say "some ppl" or "Many" would find physics a waste of time, and I can say for a fact that learning your first language is worthwhile (otherwise you couldnt function in society).

Learning your first language is hardly learning. It's more a product of your daily environment - something that is bound to happen, even for the mentally challenged.

[Lux_Rayna]

Learning your first language is hardly learning. It's more a product of your daily environment - something that is bound to happen, even for the mentally challenged.

Lol learning is learning. Just because it was effortless doesn't that it doesn't mean count. Not all worthwhile endeavors are difficult.

As far as calling ppl stupid goes, I'm not necessarily doing that. Its the reality of life that just as ppl are physically handicapped, ppl are mentally handicapped as well. They could very well be stupid, they could just be ignorant, or they could be mentally challenged. Or the game itself is not really the equivalent of taking a walk...there's that option too. It is what it is, maybe I shouldn't say that but its the truth lol


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So its okay for you to declare some things as worthwhile and others not as long as difficulty doesn't factor into the equation? Forgive me for not figuring that out at first as it seems a statement that a mentally obese person might make lol :P Something being worthwhile or not worthwhile is a decision that each person needs to make for themselves. That would be a way to say it without talking in silly circles and analogies. If you're trying to make a succinct point with a minor division between your point and a very similar point you should stick to direct language. If nothing else it would alleviate confusion among the mentally obese.

I declared learning a language as worthwhile. If you can make any argument to the contrary I will retract that point and call it an opinion. But you'll have to make it good, I find it hard to believe there's an argument that learning your first language was a waste of time. You can hardly function in life without it, unless you dont find functioning in society worthwhile? Like I said, if you can prove to me otherwise i'll retract it.

Idk why you're insisting on arguing for the sake of arguing, when the premise of the argument was correct. Some ppl have nothing better to do I suppose.

[Xoo]

Lol learning is learning. Just because it was effortless doesn't that it doesn't mean count. Not all worthwhile endeavors are difficult.

As far as calling ppl stupid goes, I'm not necessarily doing that. Its the reality of life that just as ppl are physically handicapped, ppl are mentally handicapped as well. They could very well be stupid, they could just be ignorant, or they could be mentally challenged. Or the game itself is not really the equivalent of taking a walk...there's that option too. It is what it is, maybe I shouldn't say that but its the truth lol

You and SE must be on the same page, which I disagree with. It's a bit harsh and selfish to admit, but I don't want to play a game with the mentally obese. I want to play a game with people who can help themselves and don't whine when they have to put forth effort to get something done.

If you don't have the time for an MMO, because an MMO is naturally time-consuming, then don't play it. I don't know any other answer.

[Answa]

You and SE must be on the same page, which I disagree with. It's a bit harsh and selfish to admit, but I don't want to play a game with the mentally obese. I want to play a game with people who can help themselves and don't whine when they have to put forth effort to get something done.

If you don't have the time for an MMO, because an MMO is naturally time-consuming, then don't play it. I don't know any other answer.

I think you're completely missing the point. Lux is not arguing for any side, she's calling for a balance--the duality of both easy and hard content--because we all want different things. This reminds me of the theme park analogy Yoshida used a lot some months ago.

[Xoo]

I think you're completely missing the point. Lux is not arguing for any side, she's calling for a balance--the duality of both easy and hard content--because we all want different things. This reminds me of the theme park analogy Yoshida used a lot some months ago.

My mistake. I took it that she was arguing what right I had to define the difference between difficult and easy - which in the end is completely subjective. It's interesting you use the theme park analogy; They make the boat ride for little kids and the backward triple-loop rollercoasters for big kids.

[Lux_Rayna]

You and SE must be on the same page, which I disagree with. It's a bit harsh and selfish to admit, but I don't want to play a game with the mentally obese. I want to play a game with people who can help themselves and don't whine when they have to put forth effort to get something done.

If you don't have the time for an MMO, because an MMO is naturally time-consuming, then don't play it. I don't know any other answer.

Well it is selfish, but we are all selfish lol. Its because we are all selfish that SE has to try and figure out how to make most of us happy. Ppl like you will have to wait longer because "difficult" content always has to be balanced in last. The only measure of difficulty they have are the primal drops, and the new dungeons to some degree...but other than that nothing. It has to be that way though, at least until the system is solidly in place.

[Xoo]

Well it is selfish, but we are all selfish lol. Its because we are all selfish that SE has to try and figure out how to make most of us happy. Ppl like you will have to wait longer because "difficult" content always has to be balanced in last. The only measure of difficulty they have are the primal drops, and the new dungeons to some degree...but other than that nothing. It has to be that way though, at least until the system is solidly in place.

My only real trouble with this game as far as difficulty goes is the undoubtedly brainless process (not to say that I agree with the process being mindless) of the grind itself, and the superhuman powers it takes to actually put together a party to attend the event. That, and the existence of Powerleveling.