Rewritten MSQ - Garlemald and EW

[Damnhedge]

They also seem to think that Amaurot is the only civilization, which is completely untrue. We have spend time in a recreation of ONE specific City and it's related buildings, and floating research facilities related to that city. People are ignoring the fact that Amaurot and it's civilization literally isn't the only one, the entire point of Azem was to travel between the civilizations as an ambassador. We don't know who or what those civilizations were, we don't know if they wore masks and robes, there could be a civilization that was outcast by Amaurot for not agreeing with their anti-individuality rules.

The devs don't even try and justify Venat and her sweeping decision to Sunder the world, but these people will try and justify Emet-Selch deciding that an entire 14 Worlds worth of Civilizations isn't worth it anymore because "They aren't as advanced and cool us as. Which y'know fair enough but let's look at all the major Ancients we've actually hung around with.

Emet-Selch - Decided that for the last 12k years, he would act as the sower of Chaos, bringing omnicide to people he felt unworthy of the star to bring back his people
Hermes - After learning that all Life out in the cosmos inevitably will be destroyed, puts a time limit on Humanity to see if they can improve and overcome Meteion's oncoming onslaught of Dynamis
Venat - Decided that Humanity was on a crash course after creating a literal BLOOD GOD (This one is important) to pure destruction, and sundred the world into 14, making them weak and susceptible to disease.
You notice something with all 3 of these major characters? They all decided they knew what was best for Humanity, yet people were so fixated on the sad grandpa that anybody else doing the same thing is completely unjustified. 2/4

[Damnhedge]

And that brings me to my favorite part of all of this, the Blood God. What was the Convocation's freaction to learning that their paradise was dying? Sacrifice 50% of the world's REMAINING population to create a god capable of saving the world. At which point they sacrificed another 50%, meaning 75% of the world's population, to bring their world back. Now you might say that it's heroic, and I agree, they did what they needed to. However it's at this point that society itself started rebelling against the Convocation (No Strife Before Sundering BTW.) and the survivors were split between killing the newly born life (Literal Children) to bring back the dead people, or letting the new life live on the planet they love. So let's pretend for a moment the Sundering didn't happen, and all the new life was sacrificed and the Final Days were stopped. Then what? What's to stop another Hermes character from making a sweeping declaration? We know the Ancients all have a habit of doing that. Just kill more people? Where does it stop then? Meteion herself goes full on despair mode because every other civilization in the galaxy reached some form of perfection and decided it was time to call it quits. The Ancients were already against people staying around longer then they needed to when their "Job" was done. So what when the World reached Perfection? They now literally have a simple "Mass Kill" Button in Zodiark. Leaving Elidibus as the last survivor on a Planet devoid of life. And that's why Venat did what she did, and that's what people seem to completely ignore because "Waaaah muh perfect world". Venat didn't sunder the world because of some hatred for Humanity, or OP's weird psychopathic head canon of her. She did it because she took Meteion's words to heart and saw that the Ancients were doomed to destruction no matter if they found another way to stop the Final Days. 3/4

[Damnhedge]

People have always weirdly mistrusted Hydaelyn, citing stuff like "But she didn't tell us about Amaurot in 3.2!!!!" when that was COMPLETELY irrelevant to what we needed to know. In that specific instance Hydaelyn told us why she sundered the world (Zodiark wanted more power, so I jailed the dude), which hilariously is backed up by Emet-Selch himself in 5.0 (Yeah we wanted to bring back the dead people so we wanted to power up Zodiark by killing childeren). Hydaelyn at no point in the game has actually given anybody a reason to distrust her, she helped us until she was literally drained and unable to speak to us. And over the last 10 years of playing FFXIV, I've seen every excuse under the sun why she's evil. "She Tempered us" "We're a Primal she made" etc etc. All of which absolutely ignore the game's story and were weird from the get go.

Am I justifying Venat's actions? God no, she was like every other Ancient we've met, flawed. I don't justify her in the same way I don't justify Emet-Selch literally killing entire planets, i don't justify her in the same way Hermes decided to kill all of Humanity because he was depressed. I am however going to point out that her decision to Sunder the world stems from the same love of the planet that Emet-Selch had.

But anyway, Foxy Grandpa sad, venat bad, bring on the rejoining.
4/4

[AwesomeJr44]

The devs don't even try and justify Venat and her sweeping decision to Sunder the world, but these people will try and justify Emet-Selch deciding that an entire 14 Worlds worth of Civilizations isn't worth it anymore because "They aren't as advanced and cool us as.

The game portrays Emet-Selch as a gray character that you can agree with if you choose. It's also very possible to disagree with him and still have the story support your viewpoint. This is not true for Venat. Ironically, the ONLY person to say what she did was wrong was Venat herself, but even that gets brushed away when every other character swoops in and says: "No mommy Hydaelyn, you did great! Your choice was objectively amazing and those evil meanie convocation members with their stupid Zodiark are losers compared to you!" If you disagree with Venat, you're in direct conflict with EVERY character in this game other than the Ascians.

Venat didn't sunder the world because of some hatred for Humanity, or OP's weird psychopathic head canon of her. She did it because she took Meteion's words to heart and saw that the Ancients were doomed to destruction no matter if they found another way to stop the Final Days.

True and untrue. She didn't do it out of malice. She did it because she was stupid. And OP wrote her that way because they took a different direction to the story. Here's a question: Have we ever met Hydaelyn herself (not one of her minions) before Endwalker? No, thus OP can take her in whichever direction they want because they are doing a rewrite. And honestly, having her like that is better than what we got. At least in OP's version she's intellegent, cunning, and has a sound plan. In canon, she's a complete idiot, sundering everything because "y u no suffer more?". She never even told anyone about the threat they actually faced. Did she not consider that if she did, things might have turned out differently?

People have always weirdly mistrusted Hydaelyn ... And over the last 10 years of playing FFXIV, I've seen every excuse under the sun why she's evil. "She Tempered us" "We're a Primal she made" etc etc. All of which absolutely ignore the game's story and were weird from the get go.

Yes, and all of those were based on the big fat nothing we actually knew about her. We'd never met her in person and all we knew about her was second-hand knowledge. (and all of that was from either people who knew nothing about the real Hydaelyn, or her servants who obviously love her) As for why she helped us against Ultima, if the Ascians are her enemy, and we're fighting the Ascians...

Now we actually have a story with her in it to base our claims off of. And she's not the hero the game has spent 10 years (including EW) trying to portray her as, she's just as stupid and bad as Hermes.

Clearly you don't read my post, at all.

Oh I did. And what I said stands.