Square Enix Does not care about Stalking/Harassment In Game

[Raoabolic]

You could always just sell it, I'm sure someone else would love it.

It was making fun of dishonest solutions. It's like your boss telling you to do something that you don't agree with or it would be a shame if you couldn't afford your livelihood for you and your family. This situation is nowhere near that dire but it still follows the same logic. Though SE telling the playerbase to deal w/ it over fixing existing issues is nothing new, lol.

[Izar_Chillen]

So their only options are to either lock down their house from everyone or allow any and everyone in? Sounds right to me! :^)

Why are so many people thinking to lock down the house is meant as a permanent option?



Locking it down because of their situation until the offender can no longer get in to cause trouble should be temporary . Why are so many thinking its meant as a perma solution?


How is this evading people?


This will never get resolved if the offender can go into their FC house freely . Once the offender has gotten bored because they cant get in they could inform the GM , and they should , that the FC home is locked down . Explain to the GM how they are concerned it will effect visitors and say that they hope the GMS can reloves this soon so they can go back to being a community again , from there its on the GMS


If they keep the house locked after a GM made that suggestion then the GM can monitor the offender to see if they are attempting harassment outside , or if they have started to go elsewhere to get their fix of abusing people , and a GM will swoop on them. As far as a GM is concerned thei ticket is on hold until the action of locking the house down is done , as the OP hasn't and seems to refuse it being unable to see how this is only temporary until the issue is sorted is flabbergasting.

[Divinemights]

I guess expecting common decency from karens are too much I guess.
People say FF14 is nice only because it's authoritarian. But people keep making excuses for people who harass other people.
*shrug*



and this ladies and gentlemen, is victim blaming.
And that comparison was stupid as eugh.
Though I do agree that the stalker is pretty much a virus

I guess you are the type don't read whole thread and just jump in on latest reply that you dont like
I specifically said in this thread, I have encountered a harassments before where a guy just sitting in my house and refuse to leave.
The reason he is stalking is even more ridiculous.
He is mad because I under cut him on Algoat Horn and I should be selling a stack of 99 instead of 20.
I followed GM instruction and got rid of him, how about learn to read?

[Bobby66]

So their only options are to either lock down their house from everyone or allow any and everyone in? Sounds right to me! :^)

Dishonest in what sense? The authoritize figure provided steps the OP can take and the OP refuses to take them yet expects the GM to help. You need to take the steps offer by the GM for the GM to help. They cannot just escalate things off the bat.

[Divinemights]

...not wearing a mask is endangering yourself and others from a disease that either you get mild symptoms, get lesions on your organs or just outright die due to complications.
A GM is telling you to just act passively toward a person actively bothering you. By ignoring their presence and rendering their texts invisible to yourself, while the person can still enter your space and shout whatever they darn feel like and have jack all for consequence.
They are not the same.

How many people actually read a thread from beginning nowadays?
I have described the steps taken to remove someone sitting in your personal house.
Yes, that means stalker got removed by GM and put into a jail for a warning marked to his account

[Midareyukki]

How many people actually read a thread from beginning nowadays?
I have described the steps taken to remove someone sitting in your personal house.
Yes, that means stalker got removed by GM and put into a jail for a warning marked to his account

How many of you actually read what you post?

You compared this situation

to the pandemic

bleeding hell, awareness much?

You may be right on the GM bit, but your comparison was trash and in poor taste.

That is what I'm on about: not your argument, your analogy. So yes. I did read. You clearly didn't.

[NekoMataMata]

Dishonest in what sense? The authoritize figure provided steps the OP can take and the OP refuses to take them yet expects the GM to help. You need to take the steps offer by the GM for the GM to help. They cannot just escalate things off the bat.

Things are already escalated though, aren't they?

After asking someone to leave and watching them refuse you have literally zero options because you don't have full control of your own house. I've seen so many people list examples of other games where their housing systems allowed you to expel and prevent singular people from entering the house. I personally grew up playing group dress up chat room games where you could easily remove people from rooms and prevent them from getting in. It's not that hard.

You shouldn't have to ask a GM for help in this situation at all. And honestly, the GMs instructions sound awful to begin with because it sounds like a very easy way for people to harass others without facing punishment. They know exactly where the GM draws the line and where to stop their behavior and when they can resume that same behavior. "Oh I just successfully made these people close off their house which means they can't have visitors anymore. This should hurt their FC/Venue's growth while I proceed to wait for them to open it back up thinking that I'm gone. Even if I return, they'll just have to close the house down again and hope I go further because GMs won't do anything otherwise."

And to add on to this, I've met more creeps on FFXIV than I have else where. I certainly can't imagine why when they can get away with doing as they please.

[Raoabolic]

because it sounds like a very easy way for people to harass others without facing punishment. They know exactly where the GM draws the line and where to stop their behavior and when they can resume that same behavior. "Oh I just successfully made these people close off their house which means they can't have visitors anymore. This should hurt their FC/Venue's growth while I proceed to wait for them to open it back up thinking that I'm gone. Even if I return, they'll just have to close the house down again and hope I go further because GMs won't do anything otherwise."

Aww, don't give away the answer. I'm trying to get them from point A to B on their own, lol.

[Bobby66]

The point is we do not have those systems in this game, and truth be told I doubt we will ever have those systems in place. I mean in FFXIV you can remove someone from your friends list and you will still remain on the list of the person you removed.

Going based off the screen shot from the other thread I would personally say sure it has escalated but from the POV of a GM I could see how they may feel this is still a simple case where locking the FC or ignoring the person would be enough to solve the issue. If say they did ignore them or did lock their door but the person is standing outside their door or is hunting them down in the overworld then at that point it would be considered an escalated event.

So I still ask what exactly do people expect GM's to do? Should they just drop the ban hammer for every person someone feels is a creep, annoying, disrespectful, or whatever? Sure would nice if SE offered more tools to remove troubled people, but at the same time FFXIV team does not seem to like actions that overtly single out a certain person.

That being said I do know of at least one group that was able to get GM's to help with someone that would stalk their venue. Yes for a time they had to close their doors but even after they did that they would still spam emotes outside their door, or even find them in the overworld because they were once friends. GM's did take action and it stopped after a few months. Sure it was not instant or anything but something did happen after they followed their steps and kept reporting the issue.

[Amenara]

The point is we do not have those systems in this game, and truth be told I doubt we will ever have those systems in place. I mean in FFXIV you can remove someone from your friends list and you will still remain on the list of the person you removed.

Going based off the screen shot from the other thread I would personally say sure it has escalated but from the POV of a GM I could see how they may feel this is still a simple case where locking the FC or ignoring the person would be enough to solve the issue. If say they did ignore them or did lock their door but the person is standing outside their door or is hunting them down in the overworld then at that point it would be considered an escalated event.

So I still ask what exactly do people expect GM's to do? Should they just drop the ban hammer for every person someone feels is a creep, annoying, disrespectful, or whatever? Sure would nice if SE offered more tools to remove troubled people, but at the same time FFXIV team does not seem to like actions that overtly single out a certain person.

That being said I do know of at least one group that was able to get GM's to help with someone that would stalk their venue. Yes for a time they had to close their doors but even after they did that they would still spam emotes outside their door, or even find them in the overworld because they were once friends. GM's did take action and it stopped after a few months. Sure it was not instant or anything but something did happen after they followed their steps and kept reporting the issue.

I think this is the crux of the point about stalking and harassment in the game. There are no tools to protect yourself from it. You can blacklist people but they can still follow you and silently continue harassing you. The option you are given is to completely lock yourself away from them and essentially be punished for someone else's harassment of you. If you have a friend that turns into a creep and you remove them from your friend's list it is still a one way removal, they can continue to know when you are on, where you are etc.

The systems to protect people in game from creeps and harassers don't exist and should. I should be able to blacklist someone and never have to interact with them in game (like a certain 3rd party mod lets you do, not that I am advocating its use). You should be able to eject and blacklist people from your housing instance. You shouldn't have to rely on waiting months for a GM to do something rather than just having systems in place to fix the problem.