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    Player EaraGrace's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Veloran View Post
    She had enough power to fight WoL and the Scions in a pointless suicide trial. She had a giant crystal of aether, half of which wasn't even used for her plan. She resides in a literal sea of nigh-infinite aether. There is zero reason why she couldn't have contacted WoL or anyone else at any point throughout the story.
    A fight which burned through her soul. All of the other aether was intended to ensure humanity could get to Ultima Thule.

    Quote Originally Posted by Veloran View Post
    A lot of the Watcher's dialog implies or outright states that he was practically biased by design. Such as when he says that as a creation of Hydaelyn, he believed by default that the age of the Ancients would be forgotten.
    Which he follows by contradicting, I think it’s a bit complicated his motivations.

    Quote Originally Posted by Veloran View Post
    Or how his memories surrounding the Final Days and the Sundering were intentionally "cut away" so that modern people would be unable to look back on those events and reach any conclusions about them. Even when he talks about his final living memories, what he says about being sad she'd stand apart from her people and swearing to share her vigil backs up the idea from Anamnesis that suggests her summoners didn't know they were about to die.
    Let’s play this out as if we were a member of Venats faction.

    You join Venat and learn of the situation that threatens the star and the problem of Dynamis. You learn that humanity will have to deal with mortality and suffering in order to survive. You don’t think this applies to you for some reason.

    Time passes. You agree that Zodiark and the Convocation will not solve the issue and concur with Venat that you must summon forth a being of light that will forever imprison Him, only with wayyyyy less people. You know summoning required using the souls of Ancients to power it, but you don’t think that it’s odd you’re able to create a deity strong enough to imprison him that uses exponential less aether. You’re sure it’ll work itself out.

    You undergo the ritual, Venat agreeing to be the heart much like Elidibus, and suddenly, oh no, your life force is slipping away! Who could’ve seen this coming!

    Quote Originally Posted by Veloran View Post
    I wouldn't say that the Watcher supporting people reaching their own conclusions is evidence that he isn't biased or that his opinion shouldn't be questioned, because both he and Venat were intentionally keeping watch over humanity to see how they developed, what sort of people they evolved into, and what conclusions they reached. Like Flow Together says, she was "weighing your every choice". That's not to say his opinion is without merit or anything, but when the one memory left to him is one of pure love for Venat and devotion to her cause and all the rest were stripped away in order to ensure the truth would be hidden for all time, we have to at least take it with a grain of salt.
    You can certainly take his statements with a grain of salt, but I think the fact that the one memory left was his vow should show that it’s not really the circumstances of his creation that makes him biased, but the person he was based on. And I think we should consider that perspective as much as we do any of the other Ancients who were also biased.
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    Last edited by EaraGrace; 06-25-2022 at 02:11 PM.

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