Who knew the 6.15 Omega Quests… (Spoilers)

[MediocreIndigo]

Reading the comments here it seems like I'm of the somewhat unpopular opinion that I actually enjoyed Endwalker's story for the most part. The central theme really struck a personal chord with me. You're all allowed to feel however you want about the game, though I will comment that a lot of you seem determined to interpret certain characters in the most negative way possible. Some of you are also being unnecessarily hostile to each other which I find kind of disheartening, but this is an online forum so I probably shouldn't expect much better.

[SentioftheHoukai]

Reading the comments here it seems like I'm of the somewhat unpopular opinion that I actually enjoyed Endwalker's story for the most part. The central theme really struck a personal chord with me. You're all allowed to feel however you want about the game, though I will comment that a lot of you seem determined to interpret certain characters in the most negative way possible. Some of you are also being unnecessarily hostile to each other which I find kind of disheartening, but this is an online forum so I probably shouldn't expect much better.

I'll grant you this, I'm most certainly NOT acting in a charitable way to some of the others.... But to use Eara's own past words, when all who oppose you are consistently using bad-faith arguments and generally acting rather nasty why even bother with the trivialities and "nice masks" as it were. The way I see it, I'm being openly combative as opposed to some others who are instead being passive-aggressive which is easier to hide and disguise as innocuous. In other words, it's less likely to get them ban-hammered by Square if and when the mods come in here. I've had a stressful day and have no leeway left, so I suppose I'll apologize for being overly strong in expressing my opinions. Regret is off the table though, simply won't do it. As an aside, I'd argue that liking Endwalker's story is far from the hot take you seem to believe it is. It's not the positive threads that get the labels, so to speak.

[MediocreIndigo]

I'll grant you this, I'm most certainly NOT acting in a charitable way to some of the others.... But to use Eara's own past words, when all who oppose you are consistently using bad-faith arguments and generally acting rather nasty why even bother with the trivialities and "nice masks" as it were. The way I see it, I'm being openly combative as opposed to some others who are instead being passive-aggressive which is easier to hide and disguise as innocuous. In other words, it's less likely to get them ban-hammered by Square if and when the mods come in here. I've had a stressful day and have no leeway left, so I suppose I'll apologize for being overly strong in expressing my opinions. Regret is off the table though, simply won't do it. As an aside, I'd argue that liking Endwalker's story is far from the hot take you seem to believe it is. It's not the positive threads that get the labels, so to speak.

Oh, I'm aware that a lot of other people enjoyed Endwalker. I just happen to see a lot more dissatisfaction with it here than I do on, say, Twitter (which knowing Twitter is kind of ironic).

[Rulakir]

“This dude is just a simp” is quite frankly such a lazy way to read into the Watcher. Remove any autonomy and just assume their down bad. That certainly makes analysis easy, I should start doing that with Elidibus and Emet!

He's a creation of Hydaelyn. I don't recall a single one of them not thinking she's the bestest ever. I wouldn't call it lazy as much as accurate. I would certainly disagree with any assessment that he's not biased in her favor at a bare minimum.

Also, you don't have to remove agency from Emet and Elidibus, the time loop already did that.

I just happen to see a lot more dissatisfaction with it here than I do on, say, Twitter (which knowing Twitter is kind of ironic).

Word's been getting around that the forums are the only place where you can discuss EW critically, so I'm not surprised.

But to use Eara's own past words, when all who oppose you are consistently using bad-faith arguments and generally acting rather nasty why even bother with the trivialities and "nice masks" as it were.

The unfortunate conclusion we all arrive at eventually.

[Slatersev]

He's a creation of Hydaelyn. I don't recall a single one of them not thinking she's the bestest ever. I wouldn't call it lazy as much as accurate. I would certainly disagree with any assessment that he's not biased in her favor at a bare minimum.

Also, you don't have to remove agency from Emet and Elidibus, the time loop already did that.



Word's been getting around that the forums are the only place where you can discuss EW critically, so I'm not surprised.



The unfortunate conclusion we all arrive at eventually.

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The Watcher goes out of his way to tell Omega it should come up with his own conclusions on the matter:

Its funny, for as much as this thread claims the Watcher is to biased in his stance to be trusted, he's explicitly fine with people coming to there own conclusions and in fact encourages it and doesn't go out of his way to force his own opinion on anyone.

It's extra funny when posters here keep talking about the writers writing "propaganda" because they decided it was to nice to one fictional character over the other.

Some pretty poor "propaganda" going on there, where what would logically be the most biased person in the setting being totally fine with disagreement and actively telling others to come to there own conclusions. And not getting in any way defensive of finger waggy if you directly lay it on his creator.

[Iscah]

Also, you don't have to remove agency from Emet and Elidibus, the time loop already did that.

They haven't lost agency at all. It's still their own actions and decisions that will create the future, even if somebody else knows what will happen. Unless Hydaelyn is manipulating their every move, they are still in control of what they do.

The only person robbed of agency by the time loop is Venat herself, because she remembers what we told her and now apparently feels she has to make decisions based on what she has been told must happen, like deliberately letting the few Unsundered avoid the spell.

[SannaR]

Reading the comments here it seems like I'm of the somewhat unpopular opinion that I actually enjoyed Endwalker's story for the most part. The central theme really struck a personal chord with me. You're all allowed to feel however you want about the game, though I will comment that a lot of you seem determined to interpret certain characters in the most negative way possible. Some of you are also being unnecessarily hostile to each other which I find kind of disheartening, but this is an online forum so I probably shouldn't expect much better.

Actually many like it. It's just a few who tend to as you said interpret things in such a negative and visceral way. That many a thread gets derailed into them showing how much they dislike a decision made by a character that after awhile it gets back to nitpicking at the smallest granule. Only to have the rest back the others up using so similar phrasing you'd think they were only doing so in order to lessen any alt accusation. But hey its just a game and no one should care about if you like or dislike a bunch of pixels right? As long as both sides can air out why they might have chosen the first, last or a specific person it should all be dandy and if there's a disagreement you should just agree to disagree. But uh don't worry they don't really dislike the character just the choice(s) they made. Even though they haven't been fans of said character since 3.2 and for some even longer than that cause we can't have benevolent gods in a JRPG, am I right? Especially after we proved that the Catholic Church stand in was actually evil.