They need to rethink how they do story in 7.0 +

[Soge01]

Honestly.

I'm OK with it, but some of the slice-of-life or more filler parts of the content ultimately shouldn't have belonged in the main story, mainly because it detracts from the severity of it all, and that is a hard thing to balance when you're effectively tying up the end of the world. If the subject of the story were not the end of the world then it would have been a whole lot better. It's not like it was bad filler as such (of the variety of going to sniff a chocobo or playing hide and seek with Yugiri) -- Just hard to juggle.

Some parts of the Thavnair story would have absolutely been better to relegate to a side story.

This.

It was badly rushed. As I read (in more that one place) there was at last 2 expansions mixed here. It clearly shows.

And this.

I hope Yoshi-P never does any of this again. Every other expnasion had a far better balance with the tranquil and life threatening moments, and 6.0 did not need to be the end expansion to the Hydaleyn/Zodiark arc, but the the part 1 part of it. Don't care how badly he wanted to wrap up that part of the story, writing gigantic long running stories like this takes time and patience.

Again, I hope Yoshi-P doesn't make mistakes like this again with the direction of FFXIV's story.

[Amenara]

I hope Yoshi-P never does any of this again. Every other expnasion had a far better balance with the tranquil and life threatening moments, and 6.0 did not need to be the end expansion to the Hydaleyn/Zodiark arc, but the the part 1 part of it. Don't care how badly he wanted to wrap up that part of the story, writing gigantic long running stories like this takes time and patience.

Again, I hope Yoshi-P doesn't make mistakes like this again with the direction of FFXIV's story.

Well once FF16 gets (maybe) released next year, him and all the developers from FF14 that moved over to that project can come back and we can get the same quality of story that ShB brought.

[magitekLuna]

Well once FF16 gets (maybe) released next year, him and all the developers from FF14 that moved over to that project can come back and we can get the same quality of story that ShB brought.

The proem is not the team but yoshi him self. If you remember they dated 6.0 to fix the story and make it work. Think how bad it was originally.

[IkaraGreydancer]

The proem is not the team but yoshi him self. If you remember they dated 6.0 to fix the story and make it work. Think how bad it was originally.

Pretty sure they delayed by 2 weeks to make sure everything was polished storywise. Aso I'll never understand why folks talk as if ShB was far better and had superior pacing. As someone who went through it again with alts in my experience it has worse pacing (still an amazing expac ofc). Remember, you not liking something doesn't automatically make it a mistake

[magitekLuna]

Pretty sure they delayed by 2 weeks to make sure everything was polished storywise. Aso I'll never understand why folks talk as if ShB was far better and had superior pacing. As someone who went through it again with alts in my experience it has worse pacing (still an amazing expac ofc). Remember, you not liking something doesn't automatically make it a mistake

No no you got it wrong. The 2 weaks was an extra on top of the extra. Yushi home self did say it's do they can work on the msq.SbB was just better. It was ONE story that lasted for a nice time. The main villain was one if the best in FF and in RPG over all.as I did say there good parts in 6.0 there just to much mixed story's and non of them get the time to work . On top of it there touch filler that do not work in the time they are in.

[KizuyaKatogami]

Not every villain needs to have this big huge theatrical motivation to destroy the world or enslave it, or needs some sappy backstory to make us feel bad for them and understand their motivation...or even turn heel and agree with them/side with them.
Sometimes a Good Fun villain can be the most simple thing; Somebody who just wants a good fight, and will do everything in their power to get that good fight, even to the point of obsession and they may do truly bad things to get what they want.

Zenos was a Good Villain.
He was truly the one entity that could stand with us.
Plus what other Villain Denied us the killing blow by taking his own life with a smile? Thats a true Villain right there.

The problem is we did all this already in SB. His entire arc after they brought him back is the same thing with nothing new. It’s bland and stale. He relied on Fandaniel in ShB to make his scenes somewhat appealing because he sat on his ass for an entire expansion.

[CrownySuccubus]

Ehhhhhh. I could never call any scene Fandaniel was in even the least bit "appealing". He made a terrible first impression on me in 5.3, and that never went away, even when he underwent a name change to "Amon". If anything, the scenes with Fandaniel were carried by Zenos, and not vice-versa. At least Zenos had an interesting type of logic to him, and a desire to understand you and be understood. Fandaniel was just "The Joker except not funny".

Fandaniel is the type of villain they had Emet-Selch pretend to be until he realized it was a bad idea. In this expac, they just stuck with the bad idea.

[KizuyaKatogami]

Ehhhhhh. I could never call any scene Fandaniel was in even the least bit "appealing". He made a terrible first impression on me in 5.3, and that never went away, even when he underwent a name change to "Amon". If anything, the scenes with Fandaniel were carried by Zenos, and not vice-versa. At least Zenos had an interesting type of logic to him, and a desire to understand you and be understood. Fandaniel was just "The Joker except not funny".

Fandaniel is the type of villain they had Emet-Selch pretend to be until he realized it was a bad idea. In this expac, they just stuck with the bad idea.

Thats your opinion, i didnt find him incredibly appealing but its hard to deny he didnt carry the scenes when for most of them zenos sat on a throne and grunted and rehashed his lines from SB.

[Rulakir]

Re: DRK. The whole 30-50 arc is about how part of the WoL feels like a "slave" and yearns for freedom.

After all, she, her decipiles, Azem, Emet-Selch and Hytholodeous are anomalies among their people. They all have the will to survive and see things through to the end, no matter how painful and soul wrenching it can get. The rest of the Ancients are all just basically giant brains with no capability to survive without their magicks. Emet-Selch's recreation of the Final Days, plus Venat crytalized amalgamation of that time shows just how hopeless the Ancients were without their creation magicks.

Though again, it would have been nice to see that contrast between a worldy traveled and well versed fighter like Venat compared to your average Ancient, who, again is nothing but a giant brain with a ton of magical power but useless without the latter while we were there prrsent in Elpis instead of a flashback later on when we leave. Because her sudden change in stance, along with Hermes sudden distrust of the gang when Metion started her report through me for a loop, as it was so dam out of the blue and you could tell there was supoosed to be a least a few more cutscenes before those moments even happened so we'd understand exactly what was going on in both those moments. xD

I don't know what gave you the impression they're anomalies aside from using Venat's strawmen as your standard of measurement. I'd recommended reading this post about Venat being an ideologue.

[CrownySuccubus]

Thats your opinion, i didnt find him incredibly appealing but its hard to deny he didnt carry the scenes when for most of them zenos sat on a throne and grunted and rehashed his lines from SB.

Likewise, that's your opinion. Also...are you dipping back into 5.x? Because otherwise, I don't recall a single time Zenos "sat on a throne", unless you count a dinner chair no different than the one the WOL was sitting in. And yes, I checked. But if you remember differently, please correct me.

And even still, this was at least a chance to interact with and contrast with the WOL, and Fandaniel endlessly hamming it up isn't a valid substitute for actual character to me.