Thread: They need to rethink how they do story in 7.0 +

Ehhhhhh. I could never call any scene Fandaniel was in even the least bit "appealing". He made a terrible first impression on me in 5.3, and that never went away, even when he underwent a name change to "Amon". If anything, the scenes with Fandaniel were carried by Zenos, and not vice-versa. At least Zenos had an interesting type of logic to him, and a desire to understand you and be understood. Fandaniel was just "The Joker except not funny".

Fandaniel is the type of villain they had Emet-Selch pretend to be until he realized it was a bad idea. In this expac, they just stuck with the bad idea.

Originally Posted by CrownySuccubus

Ehhhhhh. I could never call any scene Fandaniel was in even the least bit "appealing". He made a terrible first impression on me in 5.3, and that never went away, even when he underwent a name change to "Amon". If anything, the scenes with Fandaniel were carried by Zenos, and not vice-versa. At least Zenos had an interesting type of logic to him, and a desire to understand you and be understood. Fandaniel was just "The Joker except not funny".

Fandaniel is the type of villain they had Emet-Selch pretend to be until he realized it was a bad idea. In this expac, they just stuck with the bad idea.

Thats your opinion, i didnt find him incredibly appealing but its hard to deny he didnt carry the scenes when for most of them zenos sat on a throne and grunted and rehashed his lines from SB.

Originally Posted by CrownySuccubus

Likewise, that's your opinion. Also...are you dipping back into 5.x? Because otherwise, I don't recall a single time Zenos "sat on a throne", unless you count a dinner chair no different than the one the WOL was sitting in. And yes, I checked. But if you remember differently, please correct me.

And even still, this was at least a chance to interact with and contrast with the WOL, and Fandaniel endlessly hamming it up isn't a valid substitute for actual character to me.

Yes i’m talking about ShB that’s why i said ShB lol

Originally Posted by KizuyaKatogami

Yes i’m talking about ShB that’s why i said ShB lol

Gotcha. I didn't catch that there was an "h" missing in "rehashed his lines from SB". My bad.

Still disagree about the ShB expansions, though. Fandaniel was the worst part of those senses to me, but...opinions.

Originally Posted by TaleraRistain

We don't always see how relevant something is when it's first introduced, though. Case in point, Alisaie's whole story with Ga Bu. That seemed like just side filler to add some character depth, but ended up being incredibly important. And they do this throughout the MSQ.

But I say this after finishing the story. Then you see well what worked and what was to make it a longer game. Longer do not make better. Look at the new TMNT game. It's short but so fun. Why? No filler nothing stay to long. All the filler need to be side quests. So the people that like them can do them.

Originally Posted by magitekLuna

But I say this after finishing the story. Then you see well what worked and what was to make it a longer game. Longer do not make better. Look at the new TMNT game. It's short but so fun. Why? No filler nothing stay to long. All the filler need to be side quests. So the people that like them can do them.

My point is that you don't know what is and isn't filler because you don't know what's going to become relevant in the future. You haven't finished the story in XIV. It's still ongoing. You've finished this arc, but there's every possibility small things from previous expansions will get the forefront in importance again in future expansions.

Originally Posted by TaleraRistain

My point is that you don't know what is and isn't filler because you don't know what's going to become relevant in the future. You haven't finished the story in XIV. It's still ongoing. You've finished this arc, but there's every possibility small things from previous expansions will get the forefront in importance again in future expansions.

They finished the story non will be.i finished 2.0 up to 6.1 and by 6.0 ending non is relevent for 6.1 and on. What importance me serving tea or move boxes or go from point at to b to c to a will have?

Everyone in this thread saying "actually it's NECESSARY filler, you gotta have slow moments in a story" forget that there is such a thing as TOO much slow moments, to the point where it drags down a story. Taking bunnies on a tour while the world burns is not "worldbuilding" or in any way necessary filler, it's the devs deliberately wasting your time to artificially pad out a story so that players didn't get to level cap too soon and realize the severe lack of content brought by Endwalker's 6.0 patch.

Stories need balance between the highs and the lows and the devs of this game have consistently failed to understand what is and isn't just plain useless filler, or deliberately put that useless filler in. The story of this game is good, but it has some of the worst pacing of any story I have ever experienced. I would argue a good 50% or more of the plot, everything from arr to endwalker, could be straight up cut out and nothing of value would be lost. It would actually IMPROVE the story, I would even argue.