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Yoshi-P explained their reasoning behind it and acknowledged the negative reactions towards it and even apologized for it and took responsibility for it.
And told us to keep giving feedback, I dunno what else people want and it's probably not getting changed until the next major patch.
You disagreeing with the changes doesn't mean that they're lazy or incompetent, his reasoning does make sense even if it was tone deaf and a bit out of touch with the SAM playerbase at large.
However the SAM playerbase is not a monolith and sometimes they can make calculated decisions that may seem right and from certain perspectives are correct but miss the mark entirely.
That is my point.

The issue on this forum and online forums in general I find is that it's impossible to have a mature and adult conversation about any of this because it just turns into people screeching about how devs are lazy or stupid etc.
It's not a serious conversation and it's completely one-sided and unwilling to see the other perspective and why these changes happened to begin with.
If all people do is screech about this then there can be no learning from past mistakes because what the actual mistakes were aren't even being discussed or it gets drowned out by the screeching.
If all that happens is that people keep screaming about how the devs are stupid and lazy then no long-term changes will ever happen to their thought process because people are not actual having a good faith conversation and listening or even trying to understand what they're saying and why they're making these decisions.
And how then are you going to be able to have a conversation with them at all?

SAM is not in a bad place currently, and they didn't '' mess them up '' in the way you're implying.
They made an unpopular change that did change how they play but solved a problem they were seeing, and it's okay to think that it was a bad change that should be reverted I agree with that too.
However there are also people who do approve of the change this isn't a totally black and white issue with just no upsides to the changes at all.

I think that people need to drop this mentality that everything the devs do that we disapprove of are done out of spite or incompetency or whatever.
The truth is that they're juggling a lot of problems and a lot of different views of how things should be at the same time, and sometimes they're going to either disagree and decide to move ahead with something that is unpopular or they'll miss the mark in some other way.
If we could have a more adult conversation about this then maybe we could solve this long-term and build some bridges so that they can see our perspective on things.
But when they try to see our perspective on things a very significant portion of what they see is just the screeching about them being lazy etc.