Turn Housing Demolition on

[Jojoya]

I really am open to other opinions. Acting oblivious is just something I don't take kindly to. I'm also free to disagree with other peoples' opinions, which I have not been shy about. And I address every single point I can in the process. I acknowledge what others are saying. I just don't agree.

Except you're not open when you call others obtuse and state they're wrong. The only one being oblivious here is you.

Not everyone wants what you want. No one is saying that you specifically should be happy with just an apartment.

We're saying the player base needs to stop being so negative about apartments in general. They are not that bad. You can make multiple rooms in an apartment without leaving it feeling cramped and crowded. You get free access to chocobo stable, mailbox and teleport that would require the purchase of extra items to have with a house. You can garden as long as you're not trying to intercross for new seeds. The lack of demolition is a major perk for those who want to unsub for extended periods of time.

With the number of houses limited and SE highly unlikely to surprise us with a fix to the house supply problem, does it not make more sense to encourage players to use apartments if they're not going to be using the house only features? Moving part of the demand to apartments increases the supply for those who specifically want a house for the 3 extra features that apartments lack (workshops being irrelevant since that's FC only).

The neighborhood feel.

I think people will definitely maintain subscription if they can basically make other people look at their house and show off.

Like the guys who stand with their glowy weapons in limsa all day, they can't be doing content.. i never see them move. But that sub is still active for them to stand there.

I get more of a neighborhood feeling outside of the apartment building with the apartments for my alts than I do at my house. At least at the apartment building I'll run into more players in a week than I'll see pass by my house in an entire year.

A neighborhood is people, not buildings. Put together a bunch of buildings with no one else present and you have a ghost town.

Apartments can be shown off just as much as houses if the owner wants, not that there are that many players that care about showing off. They simply want a space to call their own and decorate as they want without having other players gatekeep their access (which is what happens with FC houses).

[Krotoan]

A neighborhood is people, not buildings. Put together a bunch of buildings with no one else present and you have a ghost town.

Apartments can be shown off just as much as houses if the owner wants, not that there are that many players that care about showing off. They simply want a space to call their own and decorate as they want without having other players gatekeep their access (which is what happens with FC houses).

If i can show off my Apt, that is house sized, that cant be demolished, why would i want a ward house? If i have a house already, and this idea is a good idea to make me trade up for a slightly smaller alternative that would literally unbound me from my subscription.

Anyone purchasing a ward house would be hookwinking themselves into a forced maintained subscription. And once people realize en-mass, players are going to be rushing to buy an apt and full on abandoning the housing wards (smalls)

A neighborhood house is permanently on display, night and day, and unblockable. You live next to that guy? You gotta see it all the time, paissa walls and everything. If you want to 'show off" your apartment.. I gotta go there, SPECIFICALLY. A good location and desirable ward number (this is a thing) it's something for others to be envious of.

You asked for why anyone would want ward housing over apartments.. I gave an example. You can pish-tosh it all you like but, as is evidenced by the amount of people who balk anytime anyone suggests they want to "turn off" other players in any way, people WANT to have publicly visible things and be able to flaunt stuff that others don't have.

[Solowing]

A neighborhood house is permanently on display, night and day, and unblockable. You live next to that guy? You gotta see it all the time, paissa walls and everything. If you want to 'show off" your apartment.. I gotta go there, SPECIFICALLY. A good location and desirable ward number (this is a thing) it's something for others to be envious of.

You asked for why anyone would want ward housing over apartments.. I gave an example. You can pish-tosh it all you like but, as is evidenced by the amount of people who balk anytime anyone suggests they want to "turn off" other players in any way, people WANT to have publicly visible things and be able to flaunt stuff that others don't have.

If this suggestion was easy enough for somebody of 6 years daily housing usage, to say id willingly drop my ward house for a instanced 2 floored apt that would allow me to relinquish my subscription indefinitely at any period of time. I mean that fine by me, and that be fine by you. But Square will no longer see 6 month subscriptions from me, and anyone foolish enough to buy a ward house will soon realize it wasn't worth a subscription that you CANNOT lapse anymore.

Also nobody cares about what your exterior looks like, if your preference, not mine. I dont remember a single housing exterior that isnt mine.

[Krotoan]

If this suggestion was easy enough for somebody of 6 years daily housing usage, to say id willingly drop my ward house for a instanced 2 floored apt that would allow me to relinquish my subscription indefinitely at any period of time. I mean that fine by me, and that be fine by you. But Square will no longer see 6 month subscriptions from me, and anyone foolish enough to buy a ward house will soon realize it wasn't worth a subscription that you CANNOT lapse anymore.

Also nobody cares about what your exterior looks like, if your preference, not mine. I dont remember a single housing exterior that isnt mine.

Everyone is not you.. as I said. Just because you don't value things doesn't mean others feel the same. I personally don't care about my neighbors either, but I do enjoy having a "beachfront" house. It's fun to hang out on the deck I setup and gaze out at the beach. Can't do that in an apartment either. Considering I play the game constantly anyway and to be absolutely truthful 15 bucks a month isn't something I even think about stopping even if I don't manage to get online that month. So just on those points I wouldn't drop my house for an apartment anytime soon.

And yet again there is a population where visibility and envy are everything. They aren't me but they are demonstrably present and catered to.

[Solowing]

Everyone is not you.. as I said. Just because you don't value things doesn't mean others feel the same. I personally don't care about my neighbors either, but I do enjoy having a "beachfront" house. It's fun to hang out on the deck I setup and gaze out at the beach. Can't do that in an apartment either. Considering I play the game constantly anyway and to be absolutely truthful 15 bucks a month isn't something I even think about stopping even if I don't manage to get online that month. So just on those points I wouldn't drop my house for an apartment anytime soon.

And yet again there is a population where visibility and envy are everything. They aren't me but they are demonstrably present and catered to.

If you think they are going to have an apt that you can upgrade to the size of a small, yet be cheaper then a 2-6 million gil small plot, that cant demolished is going to be less enticing then a house with the only additional benefit being cross breeding, and 20 slot yard (16 if youre going to keep a chocobo stable, Aytherite, garden, mailbox), and a 45 day demolition timer?

Anyone who decided to purchase a house seeing how little difference it is, but it being millions of gil more expensive, but requiring a active subscription to hold, is giving themselves the short end of the stick from a value proposition standpoint. And youre saying people would happily shaft themselves as long as they got a ward house? That hardly anyone is ever really in, to sit in a yard that barely has any furnishing slots?

[Krotoan]

If you think they are going to have an apt that you can upgrade to the size of a small, yet be cheaper then a 2-6 million gil small plot, that cant demolished is going to be less enticing then a house with the only additional benefit being cross breeding, and 20 slot yard (16 if youre going to keep a chocobo stable, Aytherite, garden, mailbox), and a 45 day demolition timer?

Anyone who decided to purchase a house seeing how little difference it is, but it being millions of gil more expensive, but requiring a active subscription to hold, is giving themselves the short end of the stick from a value proposition standpoint. And youre saying people would happily shaft themselves as long as they got a ward house? That hardly anyone is ever really in, to sit in a yard that barely has any furnishing slots?

Yes. Because people value different things and no matter how you try to "sell" it, people will find value in what they value. And if people value the permanence of a ward along with the scenery and peacocking capability.. they will not move to an instanced apartment that has none of that.

[Solowing]

Yes. Because people value different things and no matter how you try to "sell" it, people will find value in what they value. And if people value the permanence of a ward along with the scenery and peacocking capability.. they will not move to an instanced apartment that has none of that.

So you seek to make apts better by devaluing my house? By making Apts and Smalls indistinguishable from one another, outside of 16 slots outdoor and a demo time.

Youre saying they wont move, but looking at it, its a no brainer to swap to something that isn't going to be demolished for the same size of a small.

[Vahlnir]

Except you're not open when you call others obtuse and state they're wrong. The only one being oblivious here is you.

Not everyone wants what you want. No one is saying that you specifically should be happy with just an apartment.

We're saying the player base needs to stop being so negative about apartments in general. They are not that bad. You can make multiple rooms in an apartment without leaving it feeling cramped and crowded. You get free access to chocobo stable, mailbox and teleport that would require the purchase of extra items to have with a house. You can garden as long as you're not trying to intercross for new seeds. The lack of demolition is a major perk for those who want to unsub for extended periods of time.

With the number of houses limited and SE highly unlikely to surprise us with a fix to the house supply problem, does it not make more sense to encourage players to use apartments if they're not going to be using the house only features? Moving part of the demand to apartments increases the supply for those who specifically want a house for the 3 extra features that apartments lack (workshops being irrelevant since that's FC only).

I've gone out of my way to acknowledge what others have said. Haven't really gotten much of the same in return. I feel very strongly about this either way. But yeah, I guess what it comes down to is that I simply can't process how some people are okay with settling for less. It truly is beyond my comprehension. It's one thing to be genuinely content with a feature. That's okay. If someone really does enjoy apartments then I've got no issue with it. It's another to sell oneself short and defend poor content design, which is what I see a lot, all too frequently nowadays. I've never said that they should do away with them, for what it's worth. I actually think they should stay. They do serve a purpose. I just feel that we as a player base deserve easier and frequent access to more and better things. SE designed themselves into a corner. When other MMOs can handle housing worlds better than the way this dev team does, I think that something needs to change, and I don't think that the forums or other outlets push hard enough. That is not okay. In regards to housing I really don't think we get our money's worth. So yeah, I've got no problem at all with dying on this particular hill.