Turn Housing Demolition on

[Vahlnir]

I'm inclined to agree with the person you're arguing with. Apartments can easily be turned into two floors and comes with gardening. The only thing separating it is item limit and that's something I agree with being increased. But, apartments really aren't as bareboned as people want to make them out to be. Plus, comes with the benefit of not needing to be tied to a sub to keep it. Housing on its own is predatory, I personally wish they'd just improve apartments and make them upgradable. I'd never go for an actual house again if that became a reality.

Then we really don't have much to discuss either on this. You don't seem to understand. That's fine, but let's just agree to disagree to avoid running in circles. Doing it with one person is exhausting enough.

[Solowing]

Then we really don't have much to discuss either on this. You don't seem to understand. That's fine, but let's just agree to disagree to avoid running in circles. Doing it with one person is exhausting enough.

Then you should admit you arnt looking for any input that doesn't agree with you.

Smalls are literally 2 rooms, Apts are 1 room, you want the apt size of a small house, but not have the demolition timer... So why would i ever go for a normal ward house when i can have a 2 room Apt that isnt going to get demolished if i decide to take a few months off?

Losing crossbreeding, and a mere 20 slot outdoor furnishing is well worth preserving 6 years worth of housing, and no longer requiring active upkeep of my subscription to keep it.

Try selling the idea of a slightly larger house that gets demolished if your sub lapses too long, when you can get a slightly smaller house that wont get demolished even if your sub lapses.

[Vahlnir]

Then you should admit you arnt looking for any input that doesn't agree with you.

I really am open to other opinions. Acting oblivious is just something I don't take kindly to. I'm also free to disagree with other peoples' opinions, which I have not been shy about. And I address every single point I can in the process. I acknowledge what others are saying. I just don't agree, and I don't want to get into it with others I don't have a bone to pick with.

Smalls are literally 2 rooms, Apts are 1 room, you want the apt size of a small house, but not have the demolition timer... So why would i ever go for a normal ward house when i can have a 2 room Apt that isnt going to get demolished if i decide to take a few months off?

Losing crossbreeding, and a mere 20 slot outdoor furnishing is well worth preserving 6 years worth of housing, and no longer requiring active upkeep of my subscription to keep it.

Try selling the idea of a slightly larger house that gets demolished if your sub lapses too long, when you can get a slightly smaller house that wont get demolished even if your sub lapses.

Honestly, I'm not backing down, and I'm guessing neither are you. I feel strongly about my opinions. Very strongly. Unshakeable, even. We should probably just call it quits with our squabble. I'm good with that if you are.

[Solowing]

I really am open to other opinions. Acting oblivious is just something I don't take kindly to. I'm also free to disagree with other peoples' opinions, which I have not been shy about. And I address every single point I can in the process. I acknowledge what others are saying. I just don't agree, and I don't want to get into it with others I don't have a bone to pick with.



Honestly, I'm not backing down, and I'm guessing neither are you. I feel strongly about my opinions. Very strongly. Unshakeable, even. We should probably just call it quits with our squabble. I'm good with that if you are.

Oh i know you arnt backing down, its your opinion and i disagree but you have every right to say it regardless how i feel on it lol

But my question is. Why would anyone prefer a slightly larger 2 room small house that is subjected to being demolished for not up-keeping a subscription, if someone can get a slightly smaller 2 roomed apt that isn't subjected to being demolished ever?

Wouldn't it be foolish to ever choose the ward housing? Youd be willingly locking yourself into a subscription just to keep your house.

[Vahlnir]

Oh i know you arnt backing down, its your opinion and i disagree but you have every right to say it regardless how i feel on it lol

But my question is. Why would anyone prefer a slightly larger 2 room small house that is subjected to being demolished for not up-keeping a subscription, if someone can get a slightly smaller 2 roomed apt that isn't subjected to being demolished ever?

Wouldn't it be foolish to ever choose the ward housing? Youd be willingly locking yourself into a subscription just to keep your house.

Neither systems are good, in my opinion. No one should have to have their sub locked in just to keep their house, and no one should have to settle for a single room apartment to scratch that customization itch. Everyone should have access to the interiors and exteriors of a house of any size. The systems we have now are deeply flawed and don't go far enough to give players what they want. That is my entire point at the end of the day. Other MMOs handle housing like this just fine. FF XIV does not. Largely because most of them didn't design themselves into a corner with wards that need to be added manually and clog up their servers.

[Solowing]

Neither systems are good, in my opinion. No one should have to have their sub locked in just to keep their house, and no one should have to settle for a single room apartment to scratch that customization itch. Everyone should have access to the interiors and exteriors of a house of any size. The systems we have now are deeply flawed and don't go far enough to give players what they want. That is my entire point at the end of the day. Other MMOs handle housing like this just fine. FF XIV does not. Largely because most of them didn't design themselves into a corner with wards that need to be added manually and clog up their servers.

#1Housing is in limited supply, if people want access to housing, if their isnt a open plot, someone house is going to have to be demolished first. (telling them to completely scrap ward housing isnt going to happen, either)

#2 You can make multiple rooms and floor out of an apt as ive shown, but lets pretend that you cant do anything like that with an apt because it doesnt suit the narrative.

#3 If they cant even increase our outdoor item slots by 5 due to the server load it would cause. How do you expect everyone to have access to exteriors? I mean Island Sanctuary is coming and you can already use potted plants indoors.

#4 I think the housing system is extremely solid, for what they tried to do. Im with you on needing 25/50 more slots for a Apt and shared access. But thats it, i think the system is fine as it is. A room is more then enough if you can get creative with it.

[Toutatis]

#2 You can make multiple rooms and floor out of an apt as ive shown, but lets pretend that you cant do anything like that with an apt because it doesnt suit the narrative.

It is still a very small space and there is no exterior, they need more slots, you can’t have tenants, no garden, no real room for utilitarian furniture unless you scrap your plans for a nice decoration, only 4 personnel npcs. Everyone I know with a house also has an apartment and an fc room. They are not a house replacement.

I mean Island Sanctuary is coming and you can already use potted plants indoors.

Because you happen to know what Island Sanctuary is? Didn’t they tell us to no not get pur hopes up? As for potted plants, you can’t grow everything and again you are using precious decoration slots which are already pretty limited.

A room is more then enough if you can get creative with it.

By the same logic, why have houses at all then? No one said you cannot be creative with an apartment. The fact is that they are still pretty small and limited in comparison to a house which is also in at least two full floors (you can add lofts too). They need to have at least one larger option for apartments.

They announce that we can own and build our house, we should be able to do so. Stop making excuses for SE’s shortfalls.

[Vahlnir]

#1Housing is in limited supply, if people want access to housing, if their isnt a open plot, someone house is going to have to be demolished first. (telling them to completely scrap ward housing isnt going to happen, either)

#2 You can make multiple rooms and floor out of an apt as ive shown, but lets pretend that you cant do anything like that with an apt because it doesnt suit the narrative.

#3 If they cant even increase our outdoor item slots by 5 due to the server load it would cause. How do you expect everyone to have access to exteriors? I mean Island Sanctuary is coming and you can already use potted plants indoors.

#4 I think the housing system is extremely solid, for what they tried to do. Im with you on needing 25/50 more slots for a Apt and shared access. But thats it, i think the system is fine as it is. A room is more then enough if you can get creative with it.

Here I thought we might have been making some headway, but I was wrong. If you would have read ANY of my posts, you would have seen that I wasn't asking them to scrap the ward system. I just want them to make something better that everyone can have access to, like full instanced housing for example (No, apartments aren't what I'm talking about, but I'm pretty sure you know that, though maybe not! Either way, this is for clarity. You can't say it wasn't said. I've covered what I view as full housing in previous posts.) I also said nothing about increasing apartment slots/space or adding shared access, though I don't think I'd have a problem with either. I hope that response is adequate. Once again, you are just hearing whatever you want to hear, even if it wasn't said at all. SE doesn't need you to defend them. They're grown adults with full time jobs. They'll be okay. Yes, I read your other posts too, not just the ones that involve me. Again, for clarity.

[Velvet_Lunarfang]

#1Housing is in limited supply, if people want access to housing, if their isnt a open plot, someone house is going to have to be demolished first. (telling them to completely scrap ward housing isnt going to happen, either)

#2 You can make multiple rooms and floor out of an apt as ive shown, but lets pretend that you cant do anything like that with an apt because it doesnt suit the narrative.

#3 If they cant even increase our outdoor item slots by 5 due to the server load it would cause. How do you expect everyone to have access to exteriors? I mean Island Sanctuary is coming and you can already use potted plants indoors.

#4 I think the housing system is extremely solid, for what they tried to do. Im with you on needing 25/50 more slots for a Apt and shared access. But thats it, i think the system is fine as it is. A room is more then enough if you can get creative with it.

funny how they can't add more houses because "server load". Yet games like ESO, Lineage 2 and some other MMO's have made housing so easy why can't these guys get it right. Yet we can do DC traveling soon which I am sure that puts a strain on servers

[sagacious]

#1Housing is in limited supply, if people want access to housing, if their isnt a open plot, someone house is going to have to be demolished first. (telling them to completely scrap ward housing isnt going to happen, either)

#2 You can make multiple rooms and floor out of an apt as ive shown, but lets pretend that you cant do anything like that with an apt because it doesnt suit the narrative.

#3 If they cant even increase our outdoor item slots by 5 due to the server load it would cause. How do you expect everyone to have access to exteriors? I mean Island Sanctuary is coming and you can already use potted plants indoors.

#4 I think the housing system is extremely solid, for what they tried to do. Im with you on needing 25/50 more slots for a Apt and shared access. But thats it, i think the system is fine as it is. A room is more then enough if you can get creative with it.

Finally someone who sees with clear eyes. Good job telling these petty complainers a thing or two