"I don't want to think while I play, so no one should be allowed to."

[pikalovr]

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1. hmm yes thats why most speedkills on the STSNBN run a BLM over RDM or SMN right? despite SMN arguably being the easiest caster in the game right? right? clearly the hardcore raiders are the ones asking for simpler jobs. thanks for proving my point tho

2. if they're achieving similar DPS or healing as you why shouldn't they point at that job and say why am i putting in 50% more effort for them to equal my output. if the jobs were actually balanced around effort like they are now for casters (SMN and RDM difference is a little funky but) you get people who play BLM over SMN and RDM cause it's REWARDED for needing more fight knowledge and how to plan for alot of mechanics. imo RDM could stand to be slightly more rewarding than SMN but thats a different debate. THATS how you make situations where people point out make the job harder or nerf it when every job can ACHIEVE the same output for different efforts instead of it being based on effort as it should.

also yes you can have harder and easier jobs but in the case of say healers the skill floor and ceiling is already laughably low. and so ALL healer jobs need some more difficulty to spice them up regardless. especially i they're gonna keep up with all jobs must output similar results (with a few exceptions that wouldn't surprise me if they got a nerf or other jobs a buff to make them more equal again.)

[Sililos]

Where in the world did you get the idea that they were never going to do an Ultimate level fight again from?

No they said it was the most difficulty they have put into a fight to date and in future wont be repeating it too that level.
They will be doing future Ultimate's, they just wont be near as difficult as they made Dragonsong reprised.

[Izar_Chillen]

job quests educate players on how to make use of their kit.

It baffles me still that they never took the opportunity to make that the real goal of job/role quests with a bit of story added to give it its lore.

Almost all of them are almost exactly the same tasks . Walk to purple circle/glowing solo instance destination because job quest story , which is almost always help to kill/rescue , tells you to go somewhere and all you really do is the same stuff any quest asks of you .


It should have been something like :

Tank quests should throw hoards at you , and expect you to mitigate/use Cds you've recently acquired plus older abilities you have gotten used to on your way past 50, or perish with maybe a healer/dps friendly as back up .

Healer quests should be scenarios of having to heal in various ways coping with various new heavy busters , room wide /multiple monster attacks in a scenario of friendly npcs vs big bads , no matter the story flavour.

etc

[Payotz]

It's because they're not comfortable admitting they are on the skill floor. That's pretty much it.

It's literally just insecurity. Most of those kinds of people can't wrap their heads around the fact that there are people whose hobbies is to feel the dopamine rush of mastering an aspect of their hobby, whether that's sports, art and crafts, or video games. They can't understand that having room for a skill ceiling won't affect them. They get intimidated by it, and they feel forced to reach for it, when they don't have to.

They see a slam dunk on NBA, go to the court, try to dunk and get shat on, and then they leave and mumble that "basketball is stupid, sports are stupid, holding the ball while walking should be allowed etc.. etc.."

[Kes13a]

and so ALL healer jobs need some more difficulty to spice them up regardless.

never happen. half the people on the forums consider "more difficulty" as adding DPS to make it "more challenging"

personally I would prefer more things to heal, but that wont fly either since typically, a lot use healer for faster queue times. so if they arent healing, and lets face it, more than a few dont, then the forums would fill with complaint threads about how healers are "useless at healing" even though they screamed for more dps output from healers.. its a no win decision...

[Izar_Chillen]

never happen. half the people on the forums consider "more difficulty" as adding DPS to make it "more challenging"

personally I would prefer more things to heal, but that wont fly either since typically, a lot use healer for faster queue times. so if they arent healing, and lets face it, more than a few dont, then the forums would fill with complaint threads about how healers are "useless at healing" even though they screamed for more dps output from healers.. its a no win decision...

Plus the game is very different in terms of raid/dungeons mechs. Almost all telegraphed attacks with puzzle like dances compared to older gen MMOs that are constant dmg to tanks , nasty debuffs that need cleansing/dealing with , add zergs mid way etc


They would have to make much more attacks types unavoidable for a healer to have to spend more time healing like a traditional healer would have to manage.

[pikalovr]

never happen. half the people on the forums consider "more difficulty" as adding DPS to make it "more challenging"

personally I would prefer more things to heal, but that wont fly either since typically, a lot use healer for faster queue times. so if they arent healing, and lets face it, more than a few dont, then the forums would fill with complaint threads about how healers are "useless at healing" even though they screamed for more dps output from healers.. its a no win decision...

if they're not allowing higher/varied heal checks or buff/debuffs systems to be more varied and actually USEABLE (do i even need to point out esuna and sleep?). then what else is there? exactly. people are asking for changes based on what they've been told is NOT gonna happen and asking for a few more DPS options or complexity in their kits that do reward DPS fits botht hose checkboxes no hgiher healing checks? check. no buff/debuff systems? check. you can't sit here and go people only want more DPS options is bad. when it's the ONLY thing they can ask for based on how adverse the devs are to making things that could make jobs more interesting or difficult in other ways.

[Neoyoshi]

I don't want to think while reading some of these posts. D:<

[pikalovr]

I don't want to think while reading some of these posts. D:<

just follow the WAR route and unga bunga slam your keyboard in response what's the worst that can happen XD

[hagare]