Healers need an overhaul

[IDontPetLalas]

I said previous now removed spells are irrelevant since people who started playing as a healer after the fact didn't experience those spells to begin with? because how would people weigh in on content they simply didn't play before and have no way of playing now to have a sound opinion on it? pretty sure I stated multiple times that the current state of healers isn't good, but it's what we have, implying that I do think the team is very much capable of making a mistake. it's implied that the people who played the class back then want it back to how it used to be with more dps involvement, implying they've been around long enough to be called "veterans" of at least healing if nothing else. newbies implying people who only know the current style of play, and often across this thread there have been people believing people who enjoy the latter style of playing as simply incompetent.

it's very unlikely anything in this entire thread will change anything, considering that the developers are clearly happy with the direction they're going. that point is rather moot, considering not a single one of us appears to be changing anything at all.

if you don't understand what I'm saying, you can ask me to explain it again.

"if you don't understand what I'm saying, you can ask me to explain it again"- from my perspective, I would saying that usually people seem to get your point,- although some points can be hard to read at times (for me).

You can repeat it as much as you want, that's your right, if you don't change your argument I likely won't agree with it any more. I'm more than happy to add more details to bolster my own argument if it helps.

Imagine a new player in this game. I will agree, said new player did not experience old abilities. However, those new players will interact with veteran players in various players. Some will get curious and perhaps investigate, and ask why they don't have those old abilities anymore and they may want them. Your stating that they "have no sound reason to want hem" discredits any new player who joins this game, no what their prior history is. that's a pretty big - and false in my mind-assumption of player skill.

If you doubt that anything will change, and you don't even answer direct questions that ask you to post examples that back up your statements- once again- why do you even post here? aren't you just wasting your time?

[Lilapop]

"if you don't understand what I'm saying, you can ask me to explain it again"- from my perspective, I would saying that usually people seem to get your point,- although some points can be hard to read at times (for me).

You can repeat it as much as you want, that's your right, if you don't change your argument I likely won't agree with it any more. I'm more than happy to add more details to bolster my own argument if it helps.

Imagine a new player in this game. I will agree, said new player did not experience old abilities. However, those new players will interact with veteran players in various players. Some will get curious and perhaps investigate, and ask why they don't have those old abilities anymore and they may want them. Your stating that they "have no sound reason to want hem" discredits any new player who joins this game, no what their prior history is. that's a pretty big - and false in my mind-assumption of player skill.

If you doubt that anything will change, and you don't even answer direct questions that ask you to post examples that back up your statements- once again- why do you even post here? aren't you just wasting your time?






given we 9the forum we, I hope I don't come off

pretty sure I answer whatever's directed to me? I'll rephrase then, the people who actually played with the skills will know better than the new players who at most can only look up and read up how gameplay with those old skills were, and at the very least I think we can agree on the experience of actually playing with said skills vs just reading and seeing them in action? I'm posting here for the same reason you seem to be, to put my two cents out there, that's pretty much it, I'm not expecting anything to come of it? not meaning to come off that way if I am.

[IDontPetLalas]

pretty sure I answer whatever's directed to me? I'll rephrase then, the people who actually played with the skills will know better than the new players who at most can only look up and read up how gameplay with those old skills were, and at the very least I think we can agree on the experience of actually playing with said skills vs just reading and seeing them in action? I'm posting here for the same reason you seem to be, to put my two cents out there, that's pretty much it, I'm not expecting anything to come of it? not meaning to come off that way if I am.

again, we disagree on the "know better'. Know "differently" - yes. You are basically invalidating new players opinions and perceptions as if they were new-born babies who had never played any game, had never healed in any other game or were incapable of talking to veteran healers and discussing these skills.
So to summarize (1) no, new players are not limited to "look up and read" and (2) new players may- not always- bring valuable experience and context that should not be discounted.

I can explain it again if that isn't clear.

[Lilapop]

again, we disagree on the "know better'. Know "differently" - yes. You are basically invalidating new players opinions and perceptions as if they were new-born babies who had never played any game, had never healed in any other game or were incapable of talking to veteran healers and discussing these skills.
So to summarize (1) no, new players are not limited to "look up and read" and (2) new players may- not always- bring valuable experience and context that should not be discounted.

I can explain it again if that isn't clear.

how on earth am i invaliding new players??? i'm simply saying researching and seeing gameplay of how things used to be is not the same experience as actually playing back then. i don't think that invalidates anyone on either side. newer players are limited to "look up and read" unless you invented a means to go back in time and allow people to play the class exactly as it was back then? they can give their opinions on what it looks like, sure, but not what it feels like to actually play, which is all i'm saying.