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    Hm, I'll have to leave that for Pandaemonium to decide. The player character, then.

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    I don't recall using the term 'create'. A world in which the 'heat death of the universe' exists is likely subject to the laws of thermodynamics, so I would expect that there's an overarching energy conservation law that prevents you from doing any sort of de novo energy production using dynamis. The word manifest here means to 'make palpable or perceivable'. To give form to the formless. Entelechies can utilize dynamis, but their actions are a function of the ambient emotion, not their own.

    I've seen people mention this 'selective sundering' business before. It might be possible, but the original sundering itself didn't sound like it was something that could be controlled with all that much precision. And you're still essentially using Venat's solution at the end of the day, because it relies on putting together a team of sundered heroes to address the problem. The team of characters who defeat the Endsinger are a product of everything that has happened to date. It's a bit like saying 'Amaurot could win if they just had the Scions' and then flat out refuse to acknowledge all the circumstances that made them who they are.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lyth View Post
    Hm, I'll have to leave that for Pandaemonium to decide. The player character, then.

    I don't recall using the term 'create'. A world in which the 'heat death of the universe' exists is likely subject to the laws of thermodynamics, so I would expect that there's an overarching energy conservation law that prevents you from doing any sort of de novo energy production using dynamis. The word manifest here means to 'make palpable or perceivable'. To give form to the formless. Entelechies can utilize dynamis, but their actions are a function of the ambient emotion, not their own.

    I've seen people mention this 'selective sundering' business before. It might be possible, but the original sundering itself didn't sound like it was something that could be controlled with all that much precision. And you're still essentially using Venat's solution at the end of the day, because it relies on putting together a team of sundered heroes to address the problem. The team of characters who defeat the Endsinger are a product of everything that has happened to date. It's a bit like saying 'Amaurot could win if they just had the Scions' and then flat out refuse to acknowledge all the circumstances that made them who they are.
    Sorry if I thought you did, "manifest as dynamis" sounded a lot like you implied it to my non-native speaker ears!

    I don't think the sundering would be a bad solution if Venat gave a choice to people. Not "bad" in the sense that it doesn't work, but because she literally killed her whole race but 3 people in all but names. Their souls are still recycled and other life grows from it, but her solution wasn't any better on a life-cost point of view than Hermes' or Emet-Selch.

    That could be sundered heroes along entelechy creations and supported from afar by ancients, for all I know.

    I'm not blaming the writers really, it only shows that Venat is very much an Ancient and takes the same kind of drastic measures, just like the others. Hers are based on her love of humanity, Emet on his love of the Ancient society, and Hermes on life itself.
    I just don't think saying "there was NO way the Ancients could have done anything, even if they knew what was happening" rests on any solid ground.
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