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    I can see your reasoning.

    I think it's difficult to judge the Amaurotians' decisions on the basis of our own societies value systems' because of how different it is. The idea of having a referendum over a controversial topic is probably a foreign concept when you're expected to conform and obediently follow the decisions of a group of respected elders. You can't really say that a decision is undemocratic when the system of governance isn't democratic to begin with. I certainly think that all of the Amaurotians in question are very decisive regardless of methodology, which is what you would expect of them given their backgrounds, and is an essential trait in a leader.

    The entire question itself is fairly academic, but for myself, I would need more information to properly determine what the best course of action was. I think that some of the essential details are necessarily locked away behind the story of Pandaemonium and Myths, which is why I'll personally reserve my final viewpoint for then.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lyth View Post
    I can see your reasoning.

    I think it's difficult to judge the Amaurotians' decisions on the basis of our own societies value systems' because of how different it is. The idea of having a referendum over a controversial topic is probably a foreign concept when you're expected to conform and obediently follow the decisions of a group of respected elders. You can't really say that a decision is undemocratic when the system of governance isn't democratic to begin with. I certainly think that all of the Amaurotians in question are very decisive regardless of methodology, which is what you would expect of them given their backgrounds, and is an essential trait in a leader.

    The entire question itself is fairly academic, but for myself, I would need more information to properly determine what the best course of action was. I think that some of the essential details are necessarily locked away behind the story of Pandaemonium and Myths, which is why I'll personally reserve my final viewpoint for then.
    Uh, "Referendum over a controversial topic being a foreign concept"? Are we talking about the same society? Ya know, the one that considers debate to be an evening's light entertainment? I don't think we played the same game.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lyth View Post
    I can see your reasoning.

    I think it's difficult to judge the Amaurotians' decisions on the basis of our own societies value systems' because of how different it is. The idea of having a referendum over a controversial topic is probably a foreign concept when you're expected to conform and obediently follow the decisions of a group of respected elders. You can't really say that a decision is undemocratic when the system of governance isn't democratic to begin with. I certainly think that all of the Amaurotians in question are very decisive regardless of methodology, which is what you would expect of them given their backgrounds, and is an essential trait in a leader.

    The entire question itself is fairly academic, but for myself, I would need more information to properly determine what the best course of action was. I think that some of the essential details are necessarily locked away behind the story of Pandaemonium and Myths, which is why I'll personally reserve my final viewpoint for then.
    Something certain is they didn't value life as we do in our society. They see themselves as organism of the Star, whose goal was to work toward its perfection. They knew souls followed a cycle, and death wasn't especially tragic but something to be celebrated.
    However, they do value peer-review (Elpis is pretty much that after all), and as caretakers of the Star, they probably don't act rashly on such a grand scale without some kind of approval. Pretty certain an Hydaelyn concept didn't go through the Bureau of the Architect :>

    But I agree, a definitive answer will require this chapter to be closed.


    Quote Originally Posted by redheadturk View Post
    Uh, "Referendum over a controversial topic being a foreign concept"? Are we talking about the same society? Ya know, the one that considers debate to be an evening's light entertainment? I don't think we played the same game.
    Debating and voting about issues are quite different though. Their society doesn't strike me as especially democratic, but more similar to the perfect city described by Aristotle, where everybody should take part in society but people recognized for their virtue raised to positions of office, or even the one from Plato's Republic, with a council instead of a philosopher king.
    Convocation members are mostly designed but there's no formal vote, the Convocation decide between themselves how to lead the others, and in turn the people mostly agree because they trust those in charge to make the best judgement calls.

    So yeah, referendums are probably unheard of. Both Hermes and Venat just thought they knew better than everyone else, just like everybody expect the Convocation to know better than the masses.
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