Just Another Housing Complaint

[Jojoya]

And therein lies the genesis of the problem. If houses had been restricted to FCs, much fewer people would be complaining. The moment they opened that Pandora's box and allowed private ownership, everything changed. There is no way backwards for SE at this point without tanking their game. They HAVE to move forward in some way to provide more housing. The question is how?

It wouldn't be fewer players complaining. It would be more players complaining.

Players are not happy when other players are given the power to gatekeep their content access. FC members have access to the FC house and its features at the whim of the FC Master and officers. Access can be denied to them at any time. Be removed from the FC and they lose their private chambers they had purchased.

Players want to control their own access to the content features, and thus the demand for personal houses.

What other MMO with housing restricts it to solely to free company/guild/clan ownership? None of that I've heard of (though it's always possible there's one out there).

What crazy developer thought that players would be happy if the system was limited to FCs?

The problem wasn't allowing private ownership. The problem was thinking that limiting it to FCs would work. Private ownership should have been included in the design from the start.

[GeminiReed]

What other MMO with housing restricts it to solely to free company/guild/clan ownership? None of that I've heard of (though it's always possible there's one out there).

GW2 with some important differences. Disclaimer it's been a few years since I've played that game seriously.

Players get access to a static "Home Instance" which allows them to add some (all?) of the gameplay features that the guild halls get. I forget if there's anything missing that isn't directly tied to a guild function. There was no way to provide any other sort of decoration which was a minor bone of contention.

Guild Halls can be decorated freely and had a huge amount of space, roughly the size of a dungeon here (because that's what they are). You needed a team of players to clear it out to claim the space. IIRC there was a minimum Guild Level (or you had to spend guild credits). The only way to earn those is to do guild missions which really require a team.

Both Home Instances and Guild Halls are fully instanced. There's no competition with other guilds for space. The reason why ANet doesn't catch as much flak about the static Home Instances is that GW2 lets you be part of five guilds. If you really wanted space to decorate you'd get some friends together to help grind it out. The five guild limit is across the entire account so all your alts have access to all of them.

[Shibi]

Unfortunately, it doesn't matter what the original intentions were. You don't let a bank robber go who thought to himself beforehand: "I'm not going to rob that bank." Ultimately, it's only their decisions and actions that are relevant.

Come on dude. You said...

I can't honestly see a purpose for having medium and large houses at all if they were going to be so impossible to get.

And I replied...

Housing was originally designed ONLY for free company use. It was never meant for individuals.

You asked the question and I replied with the reason. Nothing more than this. See? ^ It's not hard to understand that.

We don't need to talk about bank robbers or other irrelevant crap here.

I mean especially as I want housing to improve, BUT two times now you have misrepresented me. Once by replacing my words with something totally false and the second by claiming I am a yoshi-P apologist. Both times you are wrong.

You really need to sit back and look what people's opinions are before you start kicking them.

[Fybrile]

Insert quote here.

Honestly man, I think you're just being just a bit too sensitive and are taking my soapboxing personally. I'll admit I'm not in tune with the social etiquettes of a forum, that sometimes the way I write is like the stream of consciousness of an idiot, or that there's probably some social nuance I'm missing here... but haven't you ever had someone quote you in order to make a general point before? You know... those types of people that hear your question or statement and then respond to the whole room?

That's me. I'm that guy.

See, I didn't ask a question at all. No question mark. Just a rhetorical statement. It's meant to confer: "They shouldn't implement stuff that is impossible to get." And, not to harp on the point, but it still rings true regardless of whether housing is intended just for FCs or not.

I used your response as a catalyst to reiterate my message, not to attack you. A lot of people may read a sentence like that and think "Oh, FC only? Well, I guess we should feel lucky that we are even given this pittance of personal housing plots to begin with." It's to those people my response was intended. It's those people I'm calling apologists. If that's not you, great! In my head, we were tag-teaming the apologists.

It's truly tragic. You and I agree seem to agree on just about everything, but you misinterpret or just straight up dislike the way I write. I'll give you that the analogy was a bit patronizing for most people - I was thinking that as I was writing it. But, frankly, it seemed apt at the time to be patronizing to anyone who chooses to stick their head in the sand about this problem. I honestly thought my post was in addition to yours, not in contrast. To be straight up honest, I didn't even see that you were the one making the post, or I would have avoided quoting you in the first place since we have already been down this road.

I truly apologize for provoking you again. For what it's worth, I didn't mean to. I will pay closer attention to how I use quotes in the future. I've appreciated each of your posts in this thread, acknowledge that the first time I was likely putting words in your mouth, and think you have done nothing but bring well-thought-out posts and valuable insight to this thread. In parallel universes, we're probably best friends.

If you're ever on Siren, hit me up and I'll buy you a chai.

[Drkdays]

Honestly man, I think you're just being just a bit too sensitive and are taking my soapboxing personally. I'll admit I'm not in tune with the social etiquettes of a forum, that sometimes the way I write is like the stream of consciousness of an idiot, or that there's probably some social nuance I'm missing here... but haven't you ever had someone quote you in order to make a general point before? You know... those types of people that hear your question or statement and then respond to the whole room?

That's me. I'm that guy.

See, I didn't ask a question at all. No question mark. Just a rhetorical statement. It's meant to confer: "They shouldn't implement stuff that is impossible to get." And, not to harp on the point, but it still rings true regardless of whether housing is intended just for FCs or not.

I used your response as a catalyst to reiterate my message, not to attack you. A lot of people may read a sentence like that and think "Oh, FC only? Well, I guess we should feel lucky that we are even given this pittance of personal housing plots to begin with." It's to those people my response was intended. It's those people I'm calling apologists. If that's not you, great! In my head, we were tag-teaming the apologists.

It's truly tragic. You and I agree seem to agree on just about everything, but you misinterpret or just straight up dislike the way I write. I'll give you that the analogy was a bit patronizing for most people - I was thinking that as I was writing it. But, frankly, it seemed apt at the time to be patronizing to anyone who chooses to stick their head in the sand about this problem. I honestly thought my post was in addition to yours, not in contrast. To be straight up honest, I didn't even see that you were the one making the post, or I would have avoided quoting you in the first place since we have already been down this road.

I truly apologize for provoking you again. For what it's worth, I didn't mean to. I will pay closer attention to how I use quotes in the future. I've appreciated each of your posts in this thread, acknowledge that the first time I was likely putting words in your mouth, and think you have done nothing but bring well-thought-out posts and valuable insight to this thread. In parallel universes, we're probably best friends.

If you're ever on Siren, hit me up and I'll buy you a chai.

Some people come to the forum specifically looking for a fight. Just forget about it and move on. Make your statement and defend it nonspecifically. You don't have to explain your feelings to anyone, just pose a belief and provide context for debate. If anyone wants to brawl it's because of their feelings, not yours.