Just Another Housing Complaint

[Jojoya]

And therein lies the genesis of the problem. If houses had been restricted to FCs, much fewer people would be complaining. The moment they opened that Pandora's box and allowed private ownership, everything changed. There is no way backwards for SE at this point without tanking their game. They HAVE to move forward in some way to provide more housing. The question is how?

It wouldn't be fewer players complaining. It would be more players complaining.

Players are not happy when other players are given the power to gatekeep their content access. FC members have access to the FC house and its features at the whim of the FC Master and officers. Access can be denied to them at any time. Be removed from the FC and they lose their private chambers they had purchased.

Players want to control their own access to the content features, and thus the demand for personal houses.

What other MMO with housing restricts it to solely to free company/guild/clan ownership? None of that I've heard of (though it's always possible there's one out there).

What crazy developer thought that players would be happy if the system was limited to FCs?

The problem wasn't allowing private ownership. The problem was thinking that limiting it to FCs would work. Private ownership should have been included in the design from the start.

[GeminiReed]

What other MMO with housing restricts it to solely to free company/guild/clan ownership? None of that I've heard of (though it's always possible there's one out there).

GW2 with some important differences. Disclaimer it's been a few years since I've played that game seriously.

Players get access to a static "Home Instance" which allows them to add some (all?) of the gameplay features that the guild halls get. I forget if there's anything missing that isn't directly tied to a guild function. There was no way to provide any other sort of decoration which was a minor bone of contention.

Guild Halls can be decorated freely and had a huge amount of space, roughly the size of a dungeon here (because that's what they are). You needed a team of players to clear it out to claim the space. IIRC there was a minimum Guild Level (or you had to spend guild credits). The only way to earn those is to do guild missions which really require a team.

Both Home Instances and Guild Halls are fully instanced. There's no competition with other guilds for space. The reason why ANet doesn't catch as much flak about the static Home Instances is that GW2 lets you be part of five guilds. If you really wanted space to decorate you'd get some friends together to help grind it out. The five guild limit is across the entire account so all your alts have access to all of them.

[Shibi]

Unfortunately, it doesn't matter what the original intentions were. You don't let a bank robber go who thought to himself beforehand: "I'm not going to rob that bank." Ultimately, it's only their decisions and actions that are relevant.

Come on dude. You said...

I can't honestly see a purpose for having medium and large houses at all if they were going to be so impossible to get.

And I replied...

Housing was originally designed ONLY for free company use. It was never meant for individuals.

You asked the question and I replied with the reason. Nothing more than this. See? ^ It's not hard to understand that.

We don't need to talk about bank robbers or other irrelevant crap here.

I mean especially as I want housing to improve, BUT two times now you have misrepresented me. Once by replacing my words with something totally false and the second by claiming I am a yoshi-P apologist. Both times you are wrong.

You really need to sit back and look what people's opinions are before you start kicking them.

[Fybrile]

Insert quote here.

Honestly man, I think you're just being just a bit too sensitive and are taking my soapboxing personally. I'll admit I'm not in tune with the social etiquettes of a forum, that sometimes the way I write is like the stream of consciousness of an idiot, or that there's probably some social nuance I'm missing here... but haven't you ever had someone quote you in order to make a general point before? You know... those types of people that hear your question or statement and then respond to the whole room?

That's me. I'm that guy.

See, I didn't ask a question at all. No question mark. Just a rhetorical statement. It's meant to confer: "They shouldn't implement stuff that is impossible to get." And, not to harp on the point, but it still rings true regardless of whether housing is intended just for FCs or not.

I used your response as a catalyst to reiterate my message, not to attack you. A lot of people may read a sentence like that and think "Oh, FC only? Well, I guess we should feel lucky that we are even given this pittance of personal housing plots to begin with." It's to those people my response was intended. It's those people I'm calling apologists. If that's not you, great! In my head, we were tag-teaming the apologists.

It's truly tragic. You and I agree seem to agree on just about everything, but you misinterpret or just straight up dislike the way I write. I'll give you that the analogy was a bit patronizing for most people - I was thinking that as I was writing it. But, frankly, it seemed apt at the time to be patronizing to anyone who chooses to stick their head in the sand about this problem. I honestly thought my post was in addition to yours, not in contrast. To be straight up honest, I didn't even see that you were the one making the post, or I would have avoided quoting you in the first place since we have already been down this road.

I truly apologize for provoking you again. For what it's worth, I didn't mean to. I will pay closer attention to how I use quotes in the future. I've appreciated each of your posts in this thread, acknowledge that the first time I was likely putting words in your mouth, and think you have done nothing but bring well-thought-out posts and valuable insight to this thread. In parallel universes, we're probably best friends.

If you're ever on Siren, hit me up and I'll buy you a chai.

[Divinemights]

As someone who is also has legacy characters, it is rather difficult to believe for someone who claims to be legacy will missing every plot release because of "insufficient fund"
For someone who want a house so bad will missing every single one of these plot release dates, it is rather hard to believe?
Especially every single legacy players either sitting on gils or already have a craft to making gils from 1.0

Patch Date Districts Wards Divisions Total Plots
2.1 14 Dec 2013 3 5 1 450
2.3 7 Jul 2014 3 6 1 540
2.38 16 Sep 2014 3 8 1 720
2.4 27 Oct 2014 3 8 2 1440
3.3 6 Jun 2016 3 12 2 2160
4.1 10 Oct 2017 4 12 2 2880
4.2 5 Feb 2018 4 18 2 4320

I didn't even count wards 19 - 24 that add after 5.0
I will give it to you that you don't have gils at 2.0, but after you miss 4 releases in 2.0, you would start to save some gils and I am sure by 3.0 you will be sitting on 5 to 6 mils for a small.
This is also a period will relocation is fairly easy.
If you grab a Goblet small and you are free to move anywhere else at later release.
Getting house before 5.0 population spike was pretty easy if you set your alarm clock on release date, especially your target is a goblet small.
Why you didn't do that?

It is fair for new players to complain because they didn't have same change because of the lol lottery, but a legacy player?
If it is your decision not to put into effort of getting a house, at least be responsible for your own decision

[Fybrile]

As someone who is also has legacy characters,

I've already covered the myopic points in this post. Please feel encouraged to read a thread before jumping in on page 7.

[Divinemights]

I've already covered the myopic points in this post. Please feel encouraged to read a thread before jumping in on page 7.

Yes, the reason you gave doesn't change the fact you didn't put in effort and just blankly saying you have tried it.
I help my friend who joined 3.0 (who genuinely start fresh) obtained a goblet small then later move to Shirogane with me as neighbors.
If my friends who joined 5.0 is able to obtain plots during last Shirogane (who are also start fresh and Shirogane was the only option)
I don't see why your complaint has any solid ground as a "legacy player"

[Fybrile]

you didn't put in effort

To repeat myself:

1. You don't know me. You have no idea how much effort I've put into getting a house. This makes your accusations based on pretentiousness or ignorance. Perhaps both.
2. Who crowned you judge and jury about how much effort is required to get some pixels in a video game I've sunk over a thousand dollars into? Get off that high horse.
3. You - and people like you - keep using your own experiences as evidence of how I'm wrong. That's a fallacy. It's pretty small brain to assume everyone's experiences are the same.
4. In a zero-sum system like this, you and your friends having a house isn't proof of how I should have a house. It's part of the reason I don't. Thus, it's a pretty bad example to use.
5. My complaint is based on a veritable mountain of solid ground. You can tell by the fact nearly every single thread in this subforum is repeating it. Since 2014. If you want to plug your ears and stick your head in the sand about this clear problem with the game, I'd suggest avoiding the Housing subforum altogether, cuz that's just about all you're going to read here.

What your posts seek to do is delegitimize or silence me because you don't like what I have to say. You apparently can't imagine how someone could play this game from 1.0 and not have a house. You can't imagine it, because you either don't have the correct information or refuse to acknowledge it. That lack of imagination and information is called ignorance. You shouldn't base opinions on ignorance.

[Jojoya]

Why does the first choice always have to be "let's demolish someone else home so I can have it" instead of "SE YOUR SYSTEM IS REALLY BROKEN, FIX IT!"

Imagine how angry they'll be when the house is demolished and another player ends up winning the lottery because they had only one out of 300 entries.

[Silverbane]

Imagine how angry they'll be when the house is demolished ...

Every player that acquired a house agreed to it being demolished if it wasn't being used.
So no one has any reason to be angry over it.

I certainly wasn't angry when they demolished mine, when I took a break from the game.