Just Another Housing Complaint

[Drkdays]

Perhaps SE shouldn't refund all of the losing bidder's money. Perhaps they should only refund, say, 95% of it. Anyone who can afford to put down 5, 20, or 50 million for a chance at a house can afford to lose 5% of it.

Because right now, people bid on house knowing they have nothing to lose by doing so.
Imposing a small fee on the losing bidders might reduce the number of people bidding to those that really want a house, and discourage people from creating multiple accounts just so they can take more no-risk attempts to get a house.

Plus, removing gil from the game is never a bad thing.

Yes, punish the poor! Let those peasants feel the pressure of the elite upper class rich players. They should just stick to their apartments if they want to dabble in home owning

[Lazuliann]

To be fair that's a medium.

You can also enter - on Siren - for a Goblet 20/31 (16 entries), Goblet 21/31 (16 entries), Goblet 23/10 (16 Entries), Goblet 19/39 (17 Entries) and so on.

All of those are clearly better odds than FCFS.

Your information source is faulty, the numbers you're claiming aren't even close to the actual numbers.
You should really check the facts for yourself, rather than taking someone else's word for it.
This pic was taken one full hour before your post.

[hynaku]

You would think they make sure everyone thats wants a house can get one. Your the warrior of light and have saved the world but your homeless with no place to call your own. Sure doesn't make you want save the world when they can't even give you a home. Even FFXI you got your own room for free could decorate and add storage items to it.

[PrincessLily]

Lottery is bad hopefully they come up better way lol.

[Shibi]

Your information source is faulty, the numbers you're claiming aren't even close to the actual numbers.
You should really check the facts for yourself, rather than taking someone else's word for it.
This pic was taken one full hour before your post.

Yes, I htink we agree there. That's a medium as I said, but my point, it's not the only house on Siren at the time. I gave you just 4 of the houses that were under 20 bids each. There were more too over 20 bids, but I didn't think you would be interested in those. Less bids = more chance after all.


Not to you, but in general; It somewhat surprises me that people are jumping up and down about not being able to get from nothing into a medium or large rather than aim for a small, as if they expected lottery to make it any easier to get a medium. Anyone doing housing for the last few years should know that mediums and larges have always been nigh on impossible to obtain because SE simply can't (or won't) meet the demand.

Lottery doesn't improve the number of mediums, just makes it fairer for everyone who wants to jump to that stage.

It's up to SE to see the problem lottery has exposed, and work to fix it.

[Fybrile]

I can't honestly see a purpose for having medium and large houses at all if they were going to be so impossible to get.

I can't imagine that the way this worked out could have been the developers' intentions. While I think it's a failed system that needs change, I don't believe SE is doing this intentionally. They gain nothing out of false rarity for houses in the game, and it's completely against their design philosophy in several ways:

1. Almost every system in the game is designed to reward you in some way. You gain totems for beating a boss, to ensure you always get the piece of gear you're looking for even if you have bad luck with the RNG.

2. Literally everything else is designed to be accessible for everyone. I mean, it's a single-player MMO for crying out loud. As an example of their "everyone should be able to do everything" philosophy, they came out and said that the way they did endgame raiding in 2.0 was a mistake, in that they put in effort to produce content that most players didn't get to see and that was a mistake. Since then, in every aspect of the game, they've taken clear steps to make it easier and more streamlined to participate in all the content the game has to offer.

3. I think it's pretty clear the developers want only timed, limited rarity for most things in the market. Look at minions for example - they'll be exceedingly rare for a time, and then they'll start turning up as venture rewards, treasure chest rewards and accursed horde rewards. They release more and more of a rare thing the older it gets, until it's not so rare anymore (remember fat cat's?) Almost everything difficult about the game gets its own version of "the echo buff" after a few patches. Even housing! Paradoxically, they reduced the price for plots just to make it more affordable - which all demonstrates that they don't want houses to be rare, or exclusively for those who "work for it", else they wouldn't have made the prerequisites for getting one so insignificant. Housing is exclusively the only exclusivist thing in the game - which would connote that it's just not working as intended.

And, that's my point. I don't think the devs meant for housing to turn out like this. I think they're just either too idealistic ("we're going to fix it one day") or too cowardly to step up and say: "Alright, this is a failed system. We made a mistake. The Neighborhood system just doesn't work because we can't fulfill our end of the promise and buy enough servers to make it work. So, here's your in-game refund. Housing is instanced now, as it probably always should have been. Our bad."

Either way, after 8 years of this BS, it's time for them to focus on the problem and fix it!

[Nepentha]

Perhaps SE shouldn't refund all of the losing bidder's money. Perhaps they should only refund, say, 95% of it. Anyone who can afford to put down 5, 20, or 50 million for a chance at a house can afford to lose 5% of it.

Because right now, people bid on house knowing they have nothing to lose by doing so.
Imposing a small fee on the losing bidders might reduce the number of people bidding to those that really want a house, and discourage people from creating multiple accounts just so they can take more no-risk attempts to get a house.

Plus, removing gil from the game is never a bad thing.

Why are people so insistent on coming up with ideas that punish players like this.

5% is nothing to rich players. I'm gil capped. I can bid on houses till the cows come home. I make way more than that 5% back in a single day selling things on the marketboard.

For something that should be open to everyone anyway.

[XiaoShengwu]

....
I do want a house, and I have been prepared to sink countless hours into sign clicking. Early on, I even had fun pulling a 3-day, double all-nighter camping a sign, clicking it once every fifteen seconds. But, after growing up and experiencing a bit more of life, after having a child and generally being better able to appreciate better priorities, I came to realize that what SE is asking IS NOT worth the reward in question.....

So i'm going to stop the quote there, because you've given the answer.

YOU YOURSELF STATE, IT'S NOT WORTH THE TIME. ...so why are you complaining. you say you want a house at first, and then in the same paragraph turn your decision around and say you dont. ...problem solved.

[Aelin_Ashryver]

Housing as it is now isn't an auction, it's a lottery drawing, where the price of entry is refunded if you lose.

This isn't the best way IMO: a sealed-bid auction with a minimum bid based on lot size would have been better.

The amount of gil such a house-sale system would have removed from the game would have been staggering; there are plenty of people who could bid 200 million or more on house without breaking a sweat. And removing gil from the game results in deflation, which lowers prices of everything, and that benefits us all.

And thus begins the new era of RMT where anyone who wants a large house and hasn't played marketboard simulator would need to just buy gil to compete. And many absolutely would, one fc member in my old fc admitted she bought gil to afford her SMALL plot. Why you admit that in discord to everyone idk.. Like cmon getting 3mill gil isn't that hard x.x

Anyway, your idea is another bandaid and it won't make players happy at all imo. You gna get people salty over all the people who currently own a house having paid a fraction of what new homeowners are paying. Others who refuse RMT angry that the large house they could barely afford and had SOME hope of having is now out of reach due to gil capped players and gil buyers. And more angry because some people cannot help but be dumb enough to talk about how they RMT for a house (like that old fc member) and that will rightfully tilt people too.

And at the end of it all there still won't be enough houses for people. So someone else will come along with another suggestion to make getting a house even harder and harder. All while the core issue, supply, never changes.

Why are so many players trying to work out shoddy bandaids for the devs instead of asking that their sub be the same value as every player who has a house? Even if Yoshi P turned around and said hey to give every player their own home it will take us 2 years to sort out the infrastructure, at least we have an idea of when the housing hell will end and can relax until it is resolved. I am still huffing hopium that island sanctuary will have some small aspect of player housing.

[Yshtola_Cat]

It's really amusing how everybody that screams about rmt doesn't even understand that gil can be removed permanently. It's as if they are so far gone with JojoBa's Koolaid that they convinced themselves into thinking gil miraculously appears out of thin air for gil sellers.

Same thing for the big meanies with one or multiple gil caps. Nobody can sustain buying houses at gil cap endlessly, but somehow, you people convinced yourselves that its possible. Drop the Koolaid.