Is the WoL actually good though?

[Theodric]

My mistake on which broodmother, it's been a while.

Of course, you're also leaving out any context. Like how the broodmother in question was preparing to start a war and was willing to commit genocide on the Ondo if they didn't join her, or that they were displaced because of a literal apocalypse and violently refusing any attempts at peace. But "the Scions are murdering racists" is easier, I guess.

Huh? I think you may want to go back and read through my post again. I didn't suggest that there weren't reasons for it happening or justifications. I simply pointed out that if a particular character has to justify the murder of a pregnant woman then they're morally grey at best. I'm not suggesting everyone has to agree with that - it's just my personal thoughts on the subject.

Furthermore at no point did I suggest that the Scions were 'racist', either. Murderers? Certainly. There's plenty of lives which could have been spared but were not. Though there has been a pleasant shift towards trying to save as many people as possible as of late Shadowbringers and beyond.

[TheMightyMollusk]

Furthermore at no point did I suggest that the Scions were 'racist', either.

Of course, I suppose it helps that the pregnant woman in question was an off shoot of the Sahagin! I imagine the situation would be taken very differently by most if it was a pregnant woman who looked like Venat, Lyse or Y'shtola instead.

Yeah, you kinda did. Even if not intentional, it's pretty hard not to read it like that.

[KizuyaKatogami]

Yeah, you kinda did. Even if not intentional, it's pretty hard not to read it like that.

I dont see it as racist at all. Moreso it seems to be more like, if this character wasnt ugly but actually pretty instead. Factually people react more positively and understanding towards someone they perceive as pretty or handsome. I think we even see this mirrored in game where after the omega fight he uses his female form to talk to us.

[CrownySuccubus]

I dont see it as racist at all. Moreso it seems to be more like, if this character wasnt ugly but actually pretty instead. Factually people react more positively and understanding towards someone they perceive as pretty or handsome.

I mean, this isn't an either/or, mutually-exclusive fact.

Racists typically tend to find the features of their preferred ethnicity (or ethnicities) beautiful and humanize those people more than they do for the features of ethnicities they dislike or despise. In fact, stating that someone is more willing to kill a thinking, sentient person based on beauty standards inherent to their race is pointing out the most basic kind of racism.

[Necrotica]

I mean, this isn't an either/or, mutually-exclusive fact.

Racists typically tend to find the features of their preferred ethnicity (or ethnicities) beautiful and humanize those people more than they do for the features of ethnicities they dislike or despise. In fact, stating that someone is more willing to kill a thinking, sentient person based on beauty standards inherent to their race is pointing out the most basic kind of racism.

The uggos got to die and I will not apologize.

[KizuyaKatogami]

Why didn’t the WoL express any initiative to want to help the Eulmorans who the pixies had turned into shrubs/drowned btw? Or any remorse. After all, we learned they were effectively brainwashed. Yet no one seems to comment on that after the fact or expressed any interest in trying to undo their curse.

[DPZ2]

Why didn’t the WoL express any initiative to want to help the Eulmorans who the pixies had turned into shrubs/drowned btw? Or any remorse. After all, we learned they were effectively brainwashed. Yet no one seems to comment on that after the fact or expressed any interest in trying to undo their curse.

The only Eulmorans who encountered pixie wrath were attacking them. We weren't there. If we were, we'd have been fighting the Eulmorans. I didn't see the mighty army of Eulmore holding back, did you?

You are also assuming "that which is done can be undone". Turning something into a shrubbery is probably not reversable. Bringing someone back to life after drowning certainly isn't reversible. Drowning isn't a curse. Being transformed isn't a curse.

Your argument makes little sense.

[TheMightyMollusk]

Why didn’t the WoL express any initiative to want to help the Eulmorans who the pixies had turned into shrubs/drowned btw? Or any remorse. After all, we learned they were effectively brainwashed. Yet no one seems to comment on that after the fact or expressed any interest in trying to undo their curse.

How dare we not stop the fae from.....defending themselves? Yeah, I don't get this one.

[Theodric]

Yeah, you kinda did. Even if not intentional, it's pretty hard not to read it like that.

Well, if the shoe fits...though I was referring more to her appearance rather than her race.

I thought it was interesting that the Scions approved of the idea of moving mountains in order to rescue Halric and Ga Bu who were both - conveniently - presented as 'cute' but there's only stubborn commitment to the idea of putting down a desperate broodmother despite her pregnancy and the consequences being the risk of her people dying out or at least fading into irrelevancy.