So uh, wheres the long lasting content?

[pikalovr]

You could... like ten or fifteen years ago, but not really anymore. There are too many other options to play. A game has to really set itself apart from others in today's market to maintain a good playerbase.

maybe just maybe that was the point i was trying to get at. if your game is boring or relying on outdated content to keep itself alive you gotta be doing alot other stuff right to keep people around. i mean hell people in TF2 were still discovering new interactions with weapons years later after it released. it's the level of being easy on the outside but having unique deeper mechanics that appealed to alot of people at the time. and still does today rocket jumping is great, demoknight is great, hell even battle engineers are great. now thats of course not the only reason it's stuck around so long but it's the point i was trying to get at.

right now if you look at our jobs how much stuff isn't base level or couldn't be overlapped with other jobs? (especially at lower levels) like 10% of all kits in similar roles. it's why i like bozja and current eureka cause they added uniqueness to what was considered dull mechanics (fates), and add more depth to the current combat system. even something as simple as the elemental wheel already adds more to the combat. as long as the content is fun and engaging and has a deeper level to it you'll have people sticking around. bozja remained popular almost half a year between it's two zones. for good reason it evolved on the eureka formula and added more to making combat interesting and making the content more unique (solo CEs for example). and thats what people want either to see those systems continue to be upgraded and brought up to current max level or content that evolves on them for max level being brought out earlier.

nobody is asking for daily grinds we just want more that we can log in and say you know what i wanna spend a few hours farming idk globbity bloop with the bois. without having to sacrifice the levels we already grinded for

[SieyaM]

Look, for a moment I thought I was in for an interesting conversation, but that last comment ended it all. Where did I suggest something that would affect thousands of "happy" people? Is suggesting random content that I can waste my time for nothing harmful? Please explain to me.

If it is just random content to waste time then Bozja and Eureka already fit that bill, especially with BA being there. If you want content that actually works towards something then it is going to come at the cost of something else, because whatever the reward is or content is it will not satisfy everyone and people who it doesn't will be here complaining about a lack of content like you are now. There are only so many staff and so many development hours they can spend on content and at this point we are looking at having to give up something to get something else.

[SturmChurro]

Always subjective. Everyone has different takes on Quality or what is worth doing.
Nothing wrong with that.

I don't know.. I feel like quality is pretty objective.

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When I quote someone sometimes I do just add on to it with my own comment. I do generally agree that they need to be doing a lot of other stuff right. FFXIV does do a decent amount of things right, but lasting content is for sure not really one of them. I'd say there has been a steady decline in quality too.

[KizuyaKatogami]

If it is just random content to waste time then Bozja and Eureka already fit that bill, especially with BA being there. If you want content that actually works towards something then it is going to come at the cost of something else, because whatever the reward is or content is it will not satisfy everyone and people who it doesn't will be here complaining about a lack of content like you are now. There are only so many staff and so many development hours they can spend on content and at this point we are looking at having to give up something to get something else.

Here’s my thing though. SB gave us so much content. And it did so without having to cut other content. It gave us deep dungeon, we still had extra hard mode dungeons, we got 4 new relic zones etc. Compare that to ShB. Less dungeons. No deep dungeon. No hildibrand. No allied beast tribe quests etc. And everyone said “oh EW will be better that’s why shb is so low on content.” Meanwhile EW….they’ve now started shoving x.1 content into x.15 because the patch delay is longer now….all for less content?

[Deveryn]

It's even worse when you consider the largest part of this patch, the Arkasodara beast tribe, would typically have been part of 6.1 but was instead delayed to 6.15.

Back in 5.15, we got a BLU level cap increase and a new PvP gamemode. 6.15 had two yellow fetch quests and another piece of fetch-quest content that was supposed to have been in 6.1. This game really is just turning into a visual novel, where months worth of sub is just buying some text boxes to read.

Why even break it down like that? We've gotten a good amount in this whole major update, more than usual with dungeons being redone and pvp getting a new mode and new skills. So some things got moved back. The alternative is having it all out there, unpolished and causing problems and then all these months in between spent complaining about how long we wait for the next update.

Personally, I'm happy for a break. Breaks are good and very much encouraged. I get to casually work on some smaller goals and just enjoy some more time away from the game.

Actual tragedy has hit a lot of people and continues to do so and here y'all are crying over these updates.

[SieyaM]

Here’s my thing though. SB gave us so much content. And it did so without having to cut other content. It gave us deep dungeon, we still had extra hard mode dungeons, we got 4 new relic zones etc. Compare that to ShB. Less dungeons. No deep dungeon. No hildibrand. No allied beast tribe quests etc. And everyone said “oh EW will be better that’s why shb is so low on content.” Meanwhile EW….they’ve now started shoving x.1 content into x.15 because the patch delay is longer now….all for less content?

The amount of gathering and crafting content has been increased a great deal over the last two expansions that StB did not have, ocean fishing and Ishgardian Restoration are the two things that come to mind immediately. Not to mention the addition of two races last expansion and one more this expansion which takes a considerable amount of time to complete. While it also may not seem like very much all new jobs have had to be balanced and new skills developed for which would be 4 more since the launch of StB. Although Bozja is not as large as Eureka it still had to be developed with all its new systems as well such as duels and the large scale CEs. While we haven't gotten them yet there is also Criterion dungeons coming up for us this round as well as a new deep dungeon sometime down the line. I would say that there is less battle oriented content sure, but other aspects of the game seem to be growing.

[pikalovr]

When I quote someone sometimes I do just add on to it with my own comment. I do generally agree that they need to be doing a lot of other stuff right. FFXIV does do a decent amount of things right, but lasting content is for sure not really one of them. I'd say there has been a steady decline in quality too.

and now you see why people bring this up constantly. it pains us to see content thats actual unique or interesting get thrown to the wind for no reason. imagine if they just ignored eureka after it failed and just stopped releasing side content at all. like i said unreals were a step in the right direction even tho it's basically nothing more than a stat buff and maybe a few surprise mechanics. it gives people a way to farm older mounts without either speed killing it in like 2 fire IVs or losing skills that for example makes BLM fun to play. we want stuff to be at max level cause jobs just aren't made for lower levels anymore. there's a reason very few jobs are considered fun at level 60 and below. so it's why we want stuff like unreal or a more modern eureka or bozja etc... and by releasing it earlier you hold more people over than relying on the surge of 1 month subs on patch days which you'd still get anyways. it's just overall a better business decision as well for profit.

now whether or not SE wakes the f up and actually starts investing in FFXIV instead of whatever hairbrained scheme they have with NFTs is a different story.

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

I don't know.. I feel like quality is pretty objective..

Its like Music, or a Movie.
You might think its trash, someone else might think its Gold.
Its typically Perspective.

[KizuyaKatogami]

The amount of gathering and crafting content has been increased a great deal over the last two expansions that StB did not have, ocean fishing and Ishgardian Restoration are the two things that come to mind immediately. Not to mention the addition of two races last expansion and one more this expansion which takes a considerable amount of time to complete. While it also may not seem like very much all new jobs have had to be balanced and new skills developed for which would be 4 more since the launch of StB. Although Bozja is not as large as Eureka it still had to be developed with all its new systems as well such as duels and the large scale CEs. While we haven't gotten them yet there is also Criterion dungeons coming up for us this round as well as a new deep dungeon sometime down the line. I would say that there is less battle oriented content sure, but other aspects of the game seem to be growing.

Ishgard restoration just reused diadem though which was already a thing since HW i believe? The items given are new yes but…then let’s compare. SB gave us spear fishing as a new mechanic so that’s about the equivalent of ocean fishing. It also gave us an entire new housing zone, something ShB didn’t do. Samurai and Rdm got primal weapons for levels 50 and 60, something Gnb and Dnc did not get. Stormblood had voiced trial and alli raid series, ShB did not. The thing is i really do not see it growing whatsoever, i see us getting less and less. SB was the peak of content, and it’s just steadily gone downhill. I mean they couldn’t even give us an allied beast tribe quest? Seriously?

[VictorSpoils]

What about trying out RP?