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    Quote Originally Posted by Enjuden View Post
    Well, someone that read it.

    However, calling the DSM as not universal is not an exact thing due to the research the DSM does compared to the ICD. Is it used often outside the States? Sometimes. Does it have problems? Sure. It really depends on what pharmaceuticals and the relations with the insurance companies whether they use DSM or ICD as far as I'm aware. Do note that DSM 3 changed what the ICD does significantly, and that the DSM will not be going away because of the information the ICD does not have. It's a supplement to fill in blanks rather than something brief (if it is brief, I haven't read the ICD).

    Does the WHO massively affect who can or can't get treatment for dysphoria? Absolutely. Just be careful what you wish for is all I'll say. Treating it as a normal thing means low priority treatment, so prices skyrocket. I don't think people realize when they cry out for these things regularly what exactly the consequences are. I just hope they don't have to go through the consequences of their treatment suddenly becoming too expensive because they pushed for what they have as normal. I am not saying that is what you're going for, but I am going to leave it on that note.
    ?? I don't think I'm understanding. The DSM and the WHO's outlook on this aren't negative.

    The low-priority treatment is literally to treat people like it's a thing they need to be encouraged to pursue. It's one of those disorders where it's like "It's not a disorder on its own, but the factors and pressure of society and blah blah blah coupled altogether cause stress, anxiety and other nasty things on the person. So if we work to eliminate that factor, get the person more comfortable with their gender dysphoria and be allowed to pursue what they really feel like, then all those stressful symptoms go away". You know, as in, "It's not like BPD or Autism, it's not something inherent to the person, it's caused by external factors which lead to extreme stress. Remove those factors, boom, no stress, no disorder. Let the person be happy."

    And it can be done by something as "low-effort" as talking. And I say "low-effort" in the sense that it doesn't require chemicals nor over-the-top therapy. Just simple support groups and acceptance.
    It's right there on the manual.

    And even if the DSM does have an impact on the opinion of others elsewhere, a) it's still not universal, those countries can still very much have their own opinion on the matter, which they tend to have prior to knowing what the DSM says, and b) it's one among many. The WHO stating as much has a much higher impact rate on what countries feel like adding to their own manual than anything the DSM writes in it.

    Because if the world followed what Americans thought on certain topics, they'd have a field day. If anything, it's the US that tends to study how other countries treat said topics. Off the top of my head: Portugal's way of handling soft drugs.

    ...am I allowed to mention the D word btw? Or are we still pretending the game the forum is based on doesn't say and show far worse?
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    Last edited by Midareyukki; 06-08-2022 at 11:20 PM. Reason: Asking clarification because PG-13 or something.