So uh, wheres the long lasting content?

[AnotherPerson]

what people who bring up "just do older content" don't understand is that stuff like bozja and eureka literally neuter your kit down to level 70 and 80 kits. with no way to use you know THE SKILLS YOU'VE UNLOCKED UP TO LEVEL CAP why should i be forced to delevel myself to play content? if i want level 90 content why is that a bad thing? you know when people bring up end game you know "END"game they want level 90 content not sit here and play with potentially a less fleshed out or weaker kit to go do eureka or bozja.

Who says wanting level 90 content is a bad thing? But the problem is that you're expecting the same amounts of content from patch 5.1 to 5.5 to be in 6.1. We're not even in patch 6.2 yet. Chill.

[pikalovr]

Took the devs over two years to develop and finalize EW. Players ate it up in a week.

So yeah... you don't have to play FFXIV. You can go play other stuff.

oh and should i bring up quite a bit of gear basically being reused assets? or the fact that the story was heavily rushed? if your excuse is them taking 2 years to make an expansion then there's a simple fix to that "money". get a bigger team and surprise surprise more stuff can get done in equal time frames. multiple things that have been complained about have been flat out ignored or not even looked at (looks at hrothgar hairstyles) it took them months for THAT? and didn't even bother to keep the ears? or the fact healers still feel like the exact same outside of a few things and their DPS rotations basically being able to slapped on top of one another?

[GeminiReed]

You're meant to get a week or two entertainment every 3-4 months, go pay another game company to entertain you properly instead and praise the devs for respecting your time.

But only if you keep paying your sub.

[pikalovr]

Who says wanting level 90 content is a bad thing? But the problem is that you're expecting the same amounts of content from patch 5.1 to 5.5 to be in 6.1. We're not even in patch 6.2 yet. Chill.

the problem is that they can do it. why do you think they space out major content? even if it's doable and releasable? cause it brings people back instead of releasing it at the start and using it to keep people interested inbetween each major story patch. you think deep dungeons are anything new? or hard versions of dungeons (criterion dungeons)? hell a relic quest/grind which would be the easiest to make is being held hostage to be "used" with the new side content. instead of just having 2 an expansion one for the launch and one for side content.

also if you actually you know READ i said if they switched to this way of making expansions you use the time of each expansion to work on the next and release some smaller stuff like beast tribe quests, criterion dungeons, cosmetics, etc.. which makes way more sense from a development standpoint. and you can still have some major content be time gated like savage tiers and MSQ. since thats a normal thing to do in MMOs. but what is not normal? leaving players nothing to do for 8 ducking months

[Kolsykol]

People have already brought stuff up so I am not gonna repeat it.
All I'll say is that I am perfectly happy with the game not forcing me to play daily to stay up to date with convoluted systems upon systems.

“The story will get really good 30 hours in” has been replaced with “the expansion will get replayability 8 months in”

Funnily enough I'd actually agree but not for the reason I think you're saying it.
I think people are overly negative for no reason about the MSQ and it seems to be true even when Streamers who go in with a negative mentality play it.
So many of them say that they heard so much bad shit about ARR but ended up actually enjoying it a lot and don't get the negativity at all, certain parts of the MSQ are not actually as bad as people say they are imo.

I think people just know how much better it gets in hindsight and they're worried people will give up on it early and not get to see the better stuff so that's why they say that.

Yeah...I mean, WoW sucks right now, but if I chose to subscribe right now I'd still have plenty to do every day/week. Whether that is stuff actually fun to do or not may be another story, but it's still there. All of these major expansion features that got pushed back or were already scheduled to be released somewhere down the line would be a major plus right now, for us and SE. MMOs thrive on replayability. FF XIV doesn't do the best job with that.

I honestly think the issue is moreso that people are simply not engaging with what's there and are too used to having games force them to do stuff.
And when a game doesn't do that they feel confused and lost.
People say this but then never touch Savage, Extremes, PoTD, HoH ( I actually forgot I haven't yet ), different Jobs and their story, Professions, Eureka and Bozja, Relics, Fate trains, Hunts, The Diadem, different side-quest storylines, the Gold Saucer, mount collecting, minion collecting, glam farming including doing other Savage and Extremes etc etc.

You have an immense amount of content available to you most of which is VERY backwards compatible.
What would you be doing different in WoW tho?
Grinding rep or whatever?
As you yourself said whether it's fun or not might be another story and in WoW you'd be compelled to do it but is that really a good thing?
FFXIV has grinds too with more fun and permanent rewards especially Eureka which is legit fun and completely underrated imo.
I think a lot of people would be legit surprised if they just gave things a chance.

I'd really suggest people expand their horizons a bit and maybe get outside of their comfort zone and try content they haven't instead of waiting for the game to tell them what to do.
I also like the side story content a lot, I did the WAR one recently because I had skipped it and I was legit surprised and it made me laugh a lot.

what people who bring up "just do older content" don't understand is that stuff like bozja and eureka literally neuter your kit down to level 70 and 80 kits. with no way to use you know THE SKILLS YOU'VE UNLOCKED UP TO LEVEL CAP why should i be forced to delevel myself to play content? if i want level 90 content why is that a bad thing? you know when people bring up end game you know "END"game they want level 90 content not sit here and play with potentially a less fleshed out or weaker kit to go do eureka or bozja.

"why not try housing?" hahahaha good joke even apartments are so little you can basically fully decorate it in like an hour if you really cared. and the decoration system si still so god damn unintuitive it's not even funny we still have to use glitches to get objects to do what they should anyways

"why not try RP". people play games to you know play games. if they wanted to RP they'd be better off playing D&D with an online group which surprise surprise won't cost them 15$ a month

stop sitting here and excusing there being almost no level 90 content for 8 ducking months even just relic quest would be long enough to keep people here for a few months with how long those can take

Going back to old content is a part of every MMO not just FFXIV, the difference is that in FFXIV the content stays more relevant with the scaling ( not saying it's perfect tho, I do have issues with the scaling ).
I really dunno what other MMO's you lot have played/ play where you have this constant stream of new endgame content because I have no idea.
It was the same in WoW but instead of going back and actually doing the fights you'd just go in and one shot stuff over and over again.
AFK:ing in Orgrimmar and Stormwind wasn't just a meme, people did the most recent content then they mostly just AFK:ed.
You have a lot more stuff that stays relevant to do in FFXIV.

Maybe FFXIV isn't for you and that's fine but it's not any different in other MMO's and it's a bit silly to be so dismissive of people bringing up backwards compatibility and stuff like RP because these are actually great strengths of FFXIV that gives you activities to do that most other MMO's dont really offer nearly as well.



Edit: I forgot to mention Treasure Hunts lol.
How many of you have actually tried them before?
They're pretty fun especially to do with your FC and friends.

[KizuyaKatogami]

People have already brought stuff up so I am not gonna repeat it.
All I'll say is that I am perfectly happy with the game not forcing me to play daily to stay up to date with convoluted systems upon systems.



Funnily enough I'd actually agree but not for the reason I think you're saying it.
I think people are overly negative for no reason about the MSQ and it seems to be true even when Streamers who go in with a negative mentality play it.
So many of them say that they heard so much bad shit about ARR but ended up actually enjoying it a lot and don't get the negativity at all, certain parts of the MSQ are not actually as bad as people say they are imo.

I think people just know how much better it gets in hindsight and they're worried people will give up on it early and not get to see the better stuff so that's why they say that.



I honestly think the issue is moreso that people are simply not engaging with what's there and are too used to having games force them to do stuff.
And when a game doesn't do that they feel confused and lost.
People say this but then never touch Savage, Extremes, PoTD, HoH ( I actually forgot I haven't yet ), different Jobs and their story, Professions, Eureka and Bozja, Relics, Fate trains, Hunts, The Diadem, different side-quest storylines, the Gold Saucer, mount collecting, minion collecting, glam farming including doing other Savage and Extremes etc etc.

You have an immense amount of content available to you most of which is VERY backwards compatible.
What would you be doing different in WoW tho?
Grinding rep or whatever?
As you yourself said whether it's fun or not might be another story and in WoW you'd be compelled to do it but is that really a good thing?
FFXIV has grinds too with more fun and permanent rewards especially Eureka which is legit fun and completely underrated imo.
I think a lot of people would be legit surprised if they just gave things a chance.

I'd really suggest people expand their horizons a bit and maybe get outside of their comfort zone and try content they haven't instead of waiting for the game to tell them what to do.
I also like the side story content a lot, I did the WAR one recently because I had skipped it and I was legit surprised and it made me laugh a lot.

Ive done savage. Ive done crafting and gathering. Ive done mount collecting. Again, im asking for THIS EXPANSION. not something 2-3 expansions ago. Yes ive also done like, 6 eureka relics, my bozja relics etc, Ive done a fair amount of anima relics as well. So please tell me.What is there to do now in this expansion.

[pikalovr]

Going back to old content is a part of every MMO not just FFXIV, the difference is that in FFXIV the content stays more relevant with the scaling ( not saying it's perfect tho, I do have issues with the scaling ).
I really dunno what other MMO's you lot have played/ play where you have this constant stream of new endgame content because I have no idea.
It was the same in WoW but instead of going back and actually doing the fights you'd just go in and one shot stuff over and over again.
AFK:ing in Orgrimmar and Stormwind wasn't just a meme, people did the most recent content then they mostly just AFK:ed.
You have a lot more stuff that stays relevant to do in FFXIV.

Maybe FFXIV isn't for you and that's fine but it's not any different in other MMO's and it's a bit silly to be so dismissive of people bringing up backwards compatibility and stuff like RP because these are actually great strengths of FFXIV that gives you activities to do that most other MMO's dont really offer nearly as well.

it's not a stream of new content it's content thats long lasting being released earlier. so players who have done everything in previous expansions or heaven forbid not like bozja or eureka. have something to do lets look at what long lasting content we have rn outside of roulettes shall we? 4 savage fights 3 EX fights 1 ultimate and 1 alliance raid that even if you wanted to farm you're still loot locked except EXs and ultimate. EX fights aren't complex enough to keep alot of people roadblocked for more than a few weeks. and ultimates won't be touched by like 95% of the playerbase anyways. do you see the issue now? you don't need a constant stream of bozja level content you just need bozja level content on release and smaller stuff like beast tribe quests criterion dungeons, cosmetic farms, etc.. as the expansion goes on. hell if they released a new cosmetic grind every patch people would still resub just to get glams

also i love FFXIV the aspect of being able to change jobs on the fly, the music, the atmosphere in certain content (pandemonium for example). so i should just not play the game and voice my concerns? it pains me to see how gaming is going nowadays and if i can stop a game i like from going down a bad path. you bet your sweet bippy i'm gonna voice myself

[Youkulm]

What is there to do now in this expansion.

I wont repeat what everyone else has and tell you to broaden your horizons because you don't want to. That's fine. You like what you like and that's ok. I'll say this though: It's 6.1 bro. SE doesn't release an entire expansions worth of content all at once.

Also this needs to be said: Just because there is no content catered to your play style doesn't mean there is no content. I've been playing since 2.1 and I still find new things to do. The difference is I'm willing to do old content and hunt for old achievements/glamour/minions in old expansions. If you don't want to do that, that's fine, but please don't expect the dev team to release two years worth of content for a half patch just because you are bored with the game.

Heck I'm still doing things from this expansion. I doubt you've done everything, no one has. It's okay if you don't want to do those things. Achievement grinds aren't for everyone. This is why YoshiP has said it's ok to play other games. The game has always been like this. I understand being frustrated that there is nothing you like to do in the game you want to play, but that isn't going to change. There will always be content droughts, especially when you have a very limited scope of what you're willing to play in game.

We will always get content injections every few weeks and you aren't going to like everything released and you shouldn't have to. If we ever get long lasting content that you dream of at the beginning of an expansion, that's great, but please don't expect a hat trick for a half patch.

[KizuyaKatogami]

I wont repeat what everyone else has and tell you to broaden your horizons because you don't want to. That's fine. You like what you like and that's ok. I'll say this though: It's 6.1 bro. SE doesn't release an entire expansions worth of content all at once.

Also this needs to be said: Just because there is no content catered to your play style doesn't mean there is no content. I've been playing since 2.1 and I still find new things to do. The difference is I'm willing to do old content and hunt for old achievements/glamour/minions in old expansions. If you don't want to do that, that's fine, but please don't expect the dev team to release two years worth of content for a half patch just because you are bored with the game.

Heck I'm still doing things from this expansion. I doubt you've done everything, no one has. It's okay if you don't want to do those things. Achievement grinds aren't for everyone. This is why YoshiP has said it's ok to play other games. The game has always been like this. I understand being frustrated that there is nothing you like to do in the game you want to play, but that isn't going to change. We will always get content injections every few weeks and you aren't going to like everything released and you shouldn't have to.

Its not every few weeks though. After this sub patch we need to wait 2 months for the next patch.... Again, i have done most of what this patch has offered outside of ultimate. so im not exactly sure what else im expected to do?

[anhaato]

"They don't drop an entire expansion worth of content in the first patch." Why not? Why can't they do that? Why can't content be front-loaded so people have a lot of options for extensive undertakings whenever they choose to start something new? Post as much content early on as possible and spend the rest of the patches doing balance fixes to make sure everything is refined and we don't end up with another 5.4 mnk situation. Unless the truth is that very little of the content is long-lasting so they need to artificially stretch it out!