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  1. #1
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    SweetPete's Avatar
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    Coeurl
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    Alchemist Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by glamazon View Post
    Wait wait wait so if Toshiba o himself said healers are not required to dps why does everyone and there mother tell healers to dps? Isn’t that harassment at this point since it’s not even intended for healers to dps?
    Apparently, healer dps is suppose to help clear content faster. However, these kinds of post are from healers who desire more to do. They say they are tired of pressing the same one dps button. Glare, broil, dosis, malefic spam. They want more dps options so they won’t be “bored” since enemy damage isn’t constant enough to warrant consistent healing.

    Honestly we’re all tired. We all press the same buttons over and over again. We all should complain because every job presses the same buttons over and over if you wanna know the truth. I’m tired of looking at the same three summons after every Demi lol. Guess I’ll complain about that. Oh and bard songs. I need more songs. I’m tired of pressing the same three songs. so I will complain about that too. Oh, pressing standard step every 30 seconds? I’m tired of doing that too so I should complain about that. Oh and the 1,2,3 combo for mch I’m also tired of pressing those same buttons over and over so I’m gonna complain about that too.

    Let’s all complain to the devs about every job because we all press the same buttons over and over again. Welcome to the darn club.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SweetPete View Post
    Apparently, healer dps is suppose to help clear content faster.
    It is not just "supposed to help clear content faster" but that it is required. THIS IS THE PROBLEM. They cannot and should not design content that REQUIRES healers to be doing as much damage as possible, making sure that healers don't have too much to heal because they need to ensure they can do damage. This is why people say that we are "green DPS" and not healers - not because we're memeing, joking, or care more about our DPS buttons and want to deal more damage, but because they've designed the content in such a way that we are not healers, we are gimped DPS that have a side focus on pressing some healing buttons.

    However, these kinds of post are from healers who desire more to do. They say they are tired of pressing the same one dps button. Glare, broil, dosis, malefic spam. They want more dps options so they won’t be “bored” since enemy damage isn’t constant enough to warrant consistent healing.
    Yes, exactly. Pressing 1 button over and over is not entertaining gameplay and it is a travesty that this is what HEALERS are reduced to. Maybe it is entertaining to you, and cool, but there's 0 reason that every healer should be this way. They even fumbled the bag with SGE by making it a lower APM SCH that somehow hits less DPS buttons despite being their "DPS healer."

    Honestly we’re all tired. We all press the same buttons over and over again. We all should complain because every job presses the same buttons over and over if you wanna know the truth. I’m tired of looking at the same three summons after every Demi lol. Guess I’ll complain about that. Oh and bard songs. I need more songs. I’m tired of pressing the same three songs. so I will complain about that too. Oh, pressing standard step every 30 seconds? I’m tired of doing that too so I should complain about that. Oh and the 1,2,3 combo for mch I’m also tired of pressing those same buttons over and over so I’m gonna complain about that too.

    Let’s all complain to the devs about every job because we all press the same buttons over and over again. Welcome to the darn club.
    Cool, all of these are valid complaints. You think BRD should have more songs? I agree! You think SMN should have more summons, welcome to the club, most would definitely agree with this. This argument is reductive and has literally nothing to do with what anyone is saying. For every job outside of healers, becoming better at your job means you have a mastery of what your job is meant to be doing. However, healers are set up contrary to this. You get better at your DPS job, you do higher numbers, have a mastery of your rotation, and are able to perform your expected role better - doing damage. They seem to have recognized this with tanks too - mitigations are generally homogenized and they've made a focus on making their DPS kits interesting and different, and even as much as people complain about DRK being a WAR clone, DRK does have more to manage during burst windows, making them all feel varied and different to play for what they're doing a majority of time (DPSing).

    This isn't the case for healers - as you get better, you press 1-1-1 more, you heal less, and you don't have more to do as a HEALER. This is the fundamental problem with the encounter design in FFXIV and why people say that healers should have a few more DPS buttons to break up the monotony - because DAMAGE is the only thing that matters. You don't clear better or faster by healing more, and in fact if you use your GCDs to heal you're actually hurting your ability to clear as Savage encounters have enrages that must be met, and thus you are doing your job contrary to what XIV wants for you to do. This is why healer mains get frustrated, because they are designing healers for a game that does not exist. They refuse to design content that makes us focus on our heals, and instead it makes us focus on the riveting gameplay of Broil Broil Broil Broil Broil Broil with scant else to do because of how powerful our oGCD healing is and how infrequent damage is. Overheal isn't required to clear, but healer DPS sure as hell is, and it feels awful that we aren't actually healing and instead are Glare/Broilbots.
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    Last edited by Nizzi; 06-08-2022 at 01:22 AM.

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    Wow..clearly some of yall did not get what I meant...I'm not complaining about not having a dps rotation..I'm complaining that healers isn't engaging....we are 1button mages with healing...

    And again...we are dpsing 80% of the time...within a single minute of a fight we are only doing rough 10-15 secs of healing and roughly 50 seconds of dpsing. There is an issue with that considering what yoshi p has said up to this point.

    If we are meant to heal more than dps...why is there not more dmg going around..and if we are dps most of the time...y are we a 1 button mage with healing

    Either way the design for healers is not engaging enough keep healers.
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    Last edited by TheWise; 06-08-2022 at 02:37 AM.