Why do casuals act as if it's the end of the world when suggesting?

[ZeraSkiratea]

"With hearts aligned" was a fucking second wind and hope out of despair because after the first minutes of P1 musics I lost hope in Soken and Yoshida to bring that musics for the final fight... SNIP

you have your opinion, nothing will change that, i just fundamentaly disagree that "having the final boss use the music of the previous 10 years of Endbosses" is bad in any capacity

This specific composition was never used before, parts within where obviously used all troughout the games history, as they where expansion endbosses. But outside of, once again, Ultima, i disagree that any of them where overused prior to this(well maybe the HW portion as well) HECK how the fuck would invincible be overused, it litteraly came out an expansion ago.
And it starts with Shinryu, and the FF overture.. if you complain that a FF game uses the FF overture.. then what the actual.

And Shinryu is by far the least "overused" song in the entire track, it IS a very memorable track tho so its easy to recognize





it also perfectly "mirrors" Endwalker-Footfall, which also used previous expansion songs for its composition.
While Footfall uses the Expansions Main themes(including a remix of "torn from the heavens") which we can more or less "claim" to be our own

and EVEN HEARTS ALLIGNED isnt "fully original" it also uses part of "the makers ruin"(which IS the Warrior of Lights theme(as in the players))

[Kazelus]

you have your opinion, nothing will change that, i just fundamentaly disagree that "having the final boss use the music of the previous 10 years of Endbosses" is bad in any capacity
SNIP

Actually if the songs have been a composition with shinryu's theme and the main EW theme as the way "hearts aligned" is, it would have been better, I just don't like having musics that have nothing to do with the boss I'm fighting... Shinryu is here so okay, no problem his theme can come but the others... If it was a ultima like with all ancient boss coming and doing something during the fight, okay no worry, but right now, I hear music and I see a different boss... If I blink, I will be lost, I'm not fighting what I thought during the blink...
And yeah, I put "with hearts aligned" in my house, I close my eyes, I see the endsinger fight. If I do the same with "the final day", nope... And that's sad... But yeah, that's my opinion.

[Misplaced_Marbles]

Quest In from the Cold wasn't even a challenge. Finished it on the first try.

Yeah, me too, but it's "sneaking", which is boring as fuck. All they'd need to do is give that Garlean mook you have to play as some proper skills and make him less of a chump, so it's less monotonous, and so you can actually fight a little. I know the point was that you can't do that, but that doesn't make it any better.

[RitsukoSonoda]

Yeah, me too, but it's "sneaking", which is boring as fuck. All they'd need to do is give that Garlean mook you have to play as some proper skills and make him less of a chump, so it's less monotonous, and so you can actually fight a little. I know the point was that you can't do that, but that doesn't make it any better.

I remember fighting a fair amount during that quest. But then I collected a number of those optional objective points and as such had a supply of healing items to use.

As far as "sneaking" goes. I didn't consider that a sneaking mission. It honestly was just walking around an open area where stuff can aggro and potentially kill you. You know, kind of like when you run around Eureka zones for the first time before getting your elemental level up. The quest where you play as Thancred before that would be considered a sneaking or stealth mission.

[Mapleine]

Aglaia as a whole has a very pushover healing requirement. As far as unavoidable damage, either from raidwide or tankbusters, they all come out at very low frequency.

I've largely quit healing, but I ran it last week on WHM because I wanted the robe for a hopeful future in which the role actually exists.

No healing was required that wasn't met by DPS weave Assize and Lily dumping. Actually, that's an exaggeration, I use more than 50% of my lilies to fuel Misery during movement, there's no way this content requires even a single heal every twenty seconds.

What I did do was spend 98% of the time spamming Glare and refreshing Dia.

As someone who has played healers in a litany of major and minor MMOs since EQ: This game currently has some of the worst healer gameplay of any MMO I've ever played, FFXI's WHM absolutely dunks on the sad specimen in XIV.

[RitsukoSonoda]

I've largely quit healing, but I ran it last week on WHM because I wanted the robe for a hopeful future in which the role actually exists.

No healing was required that wasn't met by DPS weave Assize and Lily dumping. Actually, that's an exaggeration, I use more than 50% of my lilies to fuel Misery during movement, there's no way this content requires even a single heal every twenty seconds.

What I did do was spend 98% of the time spamming Glare and refreshing Dia.

As someone who has played healers in a litany of major and minor MMOs since EQ: This game currently has some of the worst healer gameplay of any MMO I've ever played, FFXI's WHM absolutely dunks on the sad specimen in XIV.

I remember having all of like 32 healing magic skill on WHM when I lvled it to 75 lol. I did however have capped club skill, enhancing magic, enfeebling magic, and holy magic... lol

[Quor]

In from the cold's problem is that it was not completely clear even with context clues how to clear it without using a guide first. Unless you found the downed mech or the fuel first before trying to find the linear path out you were likely to get murdered by the machina near the exit without understanding what you were supposed to do to get past them.

In From the Cold is a common sense check. That is all. Does a person have the common sense to pick up on the very-obvious context clues the game presents to them and then act on them? Or are they going to continue to YOLO into danger regardless of the limitations they now work against?

Fanny Danny makes it quite clear that you are just a regular mook, shorn of all of your inherent power and placed into the body of the kind of NPC that you've slaughtered in the thousands. He then, also quite clearly, talks about scurrying about "like a rat." Anyone who is paying attention here can put two and two together just from the first fight and the discussion with Fanny:

1 - you, as the player, are now in the body of a faceless NPC instead of the god-killing body that is the Warrior of Light.
2 - the game shows you, again, VERY clearly, that you will struggle to even engage in a single 1v1 battle and emerge victorious.
3 - further complicating things is the now-apparent lack of health regen; we are restricted to med kits that we must scrounge for in the ruins of the capital city.

With this, the game is making it clear; you are NOT going to balls-to-the-wall this quest. You are going to need to avoid fights whenever possible, you are going to need to keep your eye out for scavenged items to keep your HP up and you're going to need to pay very close attention to any fights you get into in order to survive. Since even a single tempered imperial soldier is a challenge it stands to reason (or it *should* anyway) that you're not going to be able to take on any kind of warmachina, so when you come across the immobile magitek armor in front of a huge horde of warmachina the player *should* be able to put those things together and go "ah, ok, based on the experiences I've just had I can't hope to beat this horde without using the magitek armor. The entire point of why the Garlean people came up with magitek was to help make up for their own personal weaknesses as a people. It only makes sense, as an imperial soldier, to utilize this imperial technology to overcome the obstacle ahead. I should look for the key and go scrounge for fuel to re-activate this Reaper."

But that leisurely stroll of logic is, apparently, a bridge too far for a depressingly-high amount of people.

[redheadturk]

In From the Cold is a common sense check. That is all. Does a person have the common sense to pick up on the very-obvious context clues the game presents to them and then act on them? Or are they going to continue to YOLO into danger regardless of the limitations they now work against?

Fanny Danny makes it quite clear that you are just a regular mook, shorn of all of your inherent power and placed into the body of the kind of NPC that you've slaughtered in the thousands. He then, also quite clearly, talks about scurrying about "like a rat." Anyone who is paying attention here can put two and two together just from the first fight and the discussion with Fanny:

1 - you, as the player, are now in the body of a faceless NPC instead of the god-killing body that is the Warrior of Light.
2 - the game shows you, again, VERY clearly, that you will struggle to even engage in a single 1v1 battle and emerge victorious.
3 - further complicating things is the now-apparent lack of health regen; we are restricted to med kits that we must scrounge for in the ruins of the capital city.

With this, the game is making it clear; you are NOT going to balls-to-the-wall this quest. You are going to need to avoid fights whenever possible, you are going to need to keep your eye out for scavenged items to keep your HP up and you're going to need to pay very close attention to any fights you get into in order to survive. Since even a single tempered imperial soldier is a challenge it stands to reason (or it *should* anyway) that you're not going to be able to take on any kind of warmachina, so when you come across the immobile magitek armor in front of a huge horde of warmachina the player *should* be able to put those things together and go "ah, ok, based on the experiences I've just had I can't hope to beat this horde without using the magitek armor. The entire point of why the Garlean people came up with magitek was to help make up for their own personal weaknesses as a people. It only makes sense, as an imperial soldier, to utilize this imperial technology to overcome the obstacle ahead. I should look for the key and go scrounge for fuel to re-activate this Reaper."

But that leisurely stroll of logic is, apparently, a bridge too far for a depressingly-high amount of people.

Again, I already pointed out unless you come across the machina first it is not immediately obvious. I know I am not the only person who tried to sneak around the mechs the first time to get to the exit, several other people right in this thread said they struggled with it their first time through.

[pikalovr]

Again, I already pointed out unless you come across the machina first it is not immediately obvious. I know I am not the only person who tried to sneak around the mechs the first time to get to the exit, several other people right in this thread said they struggled with it their first time through.

yes and thats what we call this very simple thing called trial and error you know

and no the game shouldn't have to hold your hand literally every 2 seconds any person with literally any sense would go ohpe. i can't sneak past that large group of enemies maybe i should search the map for a way to deal with them or something like a camo upgrade you'd search the map come across the mech with fuel or the mech standing there. and go from there (you don't have a use for the fuel from the broken mech yet if you encounter it first. so it's 100% reasonable for you to not carry it around and put a giant explosive on you. only after you find a use for the fuel would it be reasonable to take it with you)

[Nethereal]

and no the game shouldn't have to hold your hand literally every 2 seconds any person with literally any sense would go ohpe. i can't sneak past that large group of enemies

The game shouldn't hold your hand, correct. But it shouldn't give you false direction either.

It tells you to go to the camp it doesn't tell you that you have to go to the camp in a very specific way and you can't just use "common sense" and simply turn around a take the long way around and avoid them.
Good games give you real options, to fight or to avoid. They don't misdirect you they simply just don't tell you.

It makes perfect logical sense to be able to simply avoid them if the game gave you real choice, it doesn't. It misdirects you.