Bring back Aggro, resource management, bring back consequences!

[Mikey_R]

Bumping an old thread since it seems like an appropriate spot for it

I joined during ShB so I didn't get to experience old tank stance and enmity management, but the general idea sounds like it could be interesting and give tanks more to think about during a fight. Just from what I'm reading it sounds like good tanks would use tank stance once during their opener to get aggro and then ignore it the rest of the fight, I guess between doing high damage and DPS using their enmity tools. I wonder if they could have tweaked some numbers, possibly remove DPS enmity tools, to make it mainly the tank's responsibility to maintain aggro and they had to swap between stances throughout the fight to hold aggro. I also see reading old guides that DRK and PLD would get increased defense when they had tank stance on, and WAR increased health and healing received with Defiance, maybe they also could have also played with mechanics where you had to be in tank stance to survive or just generally give bosses harder hitting autoattacks (if that wasn't the case already).

If you read post number 16 it goes into detail on how it was before, what the issues were with it and how potential fixes just lead us to where we are now. It also addresses the concern of, where do they balance things. Granted, I didn't re-read what I posted however IIRC the bulk of the issues the old system had were there.

As a very short summary, there were too many negatives and not enough positives with the system. From what I remember of this thread, you don't make tanking more engaging or more interesting by enforcing an enmity system, you do it by giving the tanks more control over the boss in various ways.

[baklava151]

If you read post number 16 it goes into detail on how it was before, what the issues were with it and how potential fixes just lead us to where we are now. It also addresses the concern of, where do they balance things. Granted, I didn't re-read what I posted however IIRC the bulk of the issues the old system had were there.

As a very short summary, there were too many negatives and not enough positives with the system. From what I remember of this thread, you don't make tanking more engaging or more interesting by enforcing an enmity system, you do it by giving the tanks more control over the boss in various ways.

Thanks for pointing it out, it cleared up a few things on how it worked. I'm still not convinced that generally a more active enmity system wouldn't make a fight more engaging for tanks, regardless of the system being flawed before, since it does give one more thing to keep track of throughout the fight. For what it's worth I agree with what you posted about them adding more tank mechs like more opportunities to interrupt the boss or more adds to deal with outside of specific add phases, I just don't see why aggro management couldn't also be included in one way or another.

Admittedly I'm struggling to come up with what that would look like though. You could bring back the old enmity combo, have it generate half the resources your main combo does to avoid crippling your rotation and DPS too much, but obviously that involves quite a bit of reworking and possibly some ability cutting. You could keep it simple and use Provoke, but spamming Provoke on CD doesn't really feel like a huge step up. Maybe there are entirely different options I'm not thinking of.

[Caitlyn]

Does someone remembers accuracy? That one stat which makes you miss your hits? xD