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    CKNovel's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by UkcsAlias View Post
    But there is another issue, a relatively new player might still be good, but getting into a group can be difficult since all of them look for that same experience. Which you can barely get if barely anyone plays the required content (let alone that you need to beat it with randoms because of them). I have tried many times to even get into extremes, but after queues of 30 minutes still couldnt get in (as a healer if thats relevant).

    How can you prove things if you simply cannot play the content that is required as proof? The moment EW comes out, the ShB content suddenly gets a lot less attention. And for ShB, SB was a requirement. This isolates a lot of players.
    While it's true previous content gets less attention, this is not the case for ultimate that is still being progged.
    Even as today, there are groups trying to find member to clear UCOB and UWU, or trying to tackle them all one after another.
    And when I mean today, I literally mean within the hour, multiple groups looking for members for UWU and UCOB.
    Within the days, groups looking for member for TEA.

    If you want to prove your capacity with savage only, you want a fast prog to prove you're a fast learner.
    Fast prog also proves you are able to pull a good DPS.

    There will be some static that will agree to let the player proves themselves in a test raid. Those static are OP's best chance and they'd better bring their best.

    An application for a roster is just like an application for a job. If there are much better players than you and you're below average, expect a challenging environment.
    If you need January, February, March and April to clear Pandaemonium, how long would it need to clear DSR? That's probably the first easy question.
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    Leon Keyh
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    Quote Originally Posted by UkcsAlias View Post
    But there is another issue, a relatively new player might still be good, but getting into a group can be difficult since all of them look for that same experience. Which you can barely get if barely anyone plays the required content (let alone that you need to beat it with randoms because of them). I have tried many times to even get into extremes, but after queues of 30 minutes still couldnt get in (as a healer if thats relevant).

    How can you prove things if you simply cannot play the content that is required as proof? The moment EW comes out, the ShB content suddenly gets a lot less attention. And for ShB, SB was a requirement. This isolates a lot of players.

    This is where the issue starts. Recruitment itself should simply be better, and tools for that just have to exist to allow players to prove they are worthy.

    Currently the best option is to find a discord channel that organizes these things with randoms, and even though it has a lesser chance of success, enough attempts should give you enough completions.
    I think we're ignoring the fact that requirements differ depending on the job you're playing too. If you're going to take a pure/selfish DPS melee into prog, then the success of the party is REALLY in the hands of how you play. Makes perfect sense that they would want to see that you play well.

    On the other hand, with a more "group focused" job, the player's personal performance matters less (not "not at all", just less) so they may be more willing to take someone that isn't 90-99 parsing.

    Really though, PF groups exist for Savage content where they can get better, statics are still running older ultimates and will likely try DSR once they finish the older ones.

    This is a good analogy:



    Quote Originally Posted by CKNovel View Post
    An application for a roster is just like an application for a job. If there are much better players than you and you're below average, expect a challenging environment.
    OP is applying for a Executive level job without having any management experience. You need to climb the ladder and there are plenty of rungs that were skipped, e.g. the older ultimates, perfecting savage for this tier, etc. You're right, they may be an amazing CEO, but nobody is going to be willing to take a chance hiring a retail worker to be the CEO without some experience and proof.
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    Last edited by LeonKeyh; 06-02-2022 at 10:25 PM.

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