What's the point with that quite lackluster story in Endwalker?

[KariTheFox]

Or - one could drop the entire premise that you have to accept the sundering as "good" or "bad" and move away from pure moral dualism when trying to discuss fiction.

The facts of the setting are that an act was committed that did a wrong (the sundering) in order to prevent an even greater tragedy (the end of all life in the universe). I wouldn't call that good or evil, I don't even feel qualified to make a call on that at all. You'd have to have the mentality of an ancient to even think of taking on that burden.

For a thread full of people who claim to like gray morality, it seems like you kinda don't.

[anhaato]

Gray morality is when writers say bad thing is good actually

[KariTheFox]

Gray morality is when writers say bad thing is good actually

So when Yoshi-P said "Venat was very much an ancient" and directly compared her decision to judge the unsundered to Emet-Selch's judgement of the sundered, was he saying that a bad thing is good actually?

[Teraq]

So when Yoshi-P said "Venat was very much an ancient" and directly compared her decision to judge the unsundered to Emet-Selch's judgement of the sundered, was he saying that a bad thing is good actually?

YoshiP has shown time and again that he is the king of bad takes on Ancients. I know he missed the memo, but Ancients were the sort of people who debated ideas and left important decisions to a council of experts with its own appointed mediator.

There is no comparison to make between someone who had all the cards in hand and decided not to tell anyone out of her own paranoia, personal bias and time loop shenanigans, and someone who was backed into a corner by the previous person and spent 12,000 years suffering and toiling pretty much alone trying to repair the wrong that was done.

Also, Emet-Selch was right about the sundered. They're fragile, susceptible to infectious disease and their magic sucks. They are biologically inferior to the Ancients. This is a rather objective judgment.

[jameseoakes]

Or - one could drop the entire premise that you have to accept the sundering as "good" or "bad" and move away from pure moral dualism when trying to discuss fiction.

The facts of the setting are that an act was committed that did a wrong (the sundering) in order to prevent an even greater tragedy (the end of all life in the universe). I wouldn't call that good or evil, I don't even feel qualified to make a call on that at all. You'd have to have the mentality of an ancient to even think of taking on that burden.

For a thread full of people who claim to like gray morality, it seems like you kinda don't.

There is no actual evidence given that the Sundering was needed in any way