Is no one happy?

[Liam_Harper]

Honestly I don't want them to change the game anymore. People seem to like it and I've started thinking maybe it's just me.

What I really want is a new MMO to be released, for example basically like WoW expect with the storytelling, anti-harassment policy and all jobs on one class of ff14, no FOMO removal of content or infinite treadmills and an improved housing system. Then I'd happily jump over there and leave ff14 players to enjoy their game.

It's quite clear that if you aren't happy with anything in the game, you're not welcome here. That's fair, I just wish there was a decent MMO to move to.

[Theodric]

Honestly I don't want them to change the game anymore. People seem to like it and I've started thinking maybe it's just me.

What I really want is a new MMO to be released, for example basically like WoW expect with the storytelling, anti-harassment policy and all jobs on one class of ff14, no FOMO removal of content or infinite treadmills and an improved housing system. Then I'd happily jump over there and leave ff14 players to enjoy their game.

It's quite clear that if you aren't happy with anything in the game, you're not welcome here. That's fair, I just wish there was a decent MMO to move to.

I think it's important to disallow people the ability to make your views seem like they are little more than a fringe minority. It's a common manipulative tactic in the present day, especially online. In reality, there's plenty of room for the development team to compromise and avoid neglecting different groups of players. They just so happen to have established a trend where they largely look at Twitter for feedback and make changes based on what a vocal portion of the game's following are pushing for.

I'd also note that it won't really change if you move over to a different MMO but don't take a stand - because much like how WoW gradually collapsed upon itself by appeasing those who didn't actually like a lot of what had been established, if FFXIV ever falls out of fashion the same people who demand everything changes for their benefit will just move to whatever the new, flashy thing happens to be.

It's a delicate balance. With that said, I don't necessarily disagree with you - if this game intends to be little more than a glorified visual novel neglecting content in favour of comfort characters and bare bones features then I, too, will find myself eager to jump ship at the first opportunity. I think the art style and commitment to PvE and PvP features in certain upcoming MMO's will ward off most of the problems that this game's community has been plagued with.

So I do hope that at least one of the upcoming MMO's manages to stick and do well for itself. If nothing else, it's healthy competition.

[Liam_Harper]

I'd also note that it won't really change if you move over to a different MMO but don't take a stand - because much like how WoW gradually collapsed upon itself by appeasing those who didn't actually like a lot of what had been established, if FFXIV ever falls out of fashion the same people who demand everything changes for their benefit will just move to whatever the new, flashy thing happens to be.

I've been making a stand for a few years and I'm fairly certain at this point I'm just seen as that one guy who's always grumbling about something. I'm sort of getting tired of it.

I feel like FF14 used to be designed for players like me, but slowly rejected that type of player and now caters to a different audience. I like investing in an MMO. I like when a game treats me like I have a functioning brain, gives me things to earn and work for and really rewards playing well. I just can't get into the fast-food game model where most content is made to be cleared first run, most rewards are almost handed to you, you don't need to play well and it's considered fine that crafting and gathering is worthless because everyone can buy cheap items on the market. Nor am I really excited for the next decade of the same jobs, same 3 corridor-3 boss dungeons and same FATE's/Eureka/PotD reskins with different names.

But countless hundreds of thousands of people love that. So I think the best thing is that another game picks up the audience FF14 dropped, starts over from scratch and let the current playerbase keep this game. It's far too late to do a full U-turn without an uproar.

[Lauront]

I've been making a stand for a few years and I'm fairly certain at this point I'm just seen as that one guy who's always grumbling about something. I'm sort of getting tired of it.

I feel like FF14 used to be designed for players like me, but slowly rejected that type of player and now caters to a different audience. I like investing in an MMO. I like when a game treats me like I have a functioning brain, gives me things to earn and work for and really rewards playing well. I just can't get into the fast-food game model where most content is made to be cleared first run, most rewards are almost handed to you, you don't need to play well and it's considered fine that crafting and gathering is worthless because everyone can buy cheap items on the market. Nor am I really excited for the next decade of the same jobs, same 3 corridor-3 boss dungeons and same FATE's/Eureka/PotD reskins with different names.

But countless hundreds of thousands of people love that. So I think the best thing is that another game picks up the audience FF14 dropped, starts over from scratch and let the current playerbase keep this game. It's far too late to do a full U-turn without an uproar.

See you in Pantheon, then. At least, if it makes it to release successfully.