Has anyone quit healing?

[Rolder50]

Ya know i've noticed an interesting pattern on this thread about everyone defending current healer design. If you look them up on the site we're not supposed to talk about, you know what you'll see? All greens and grays on everything. Including dungeons and normal modes. The only people who like how healers play right now are people who actually don't know what they're talking about.

You can point this out without referring to that website: Look up their lodestone profile and note how they don't have any raid achievements or mounts either!

[IkaraGreydancer]

Ya know i've noticed an interesting pattern on this thread about everyone defending current healer design. If you look them up on the site we're not supposed to talk about, you know what you'll see? All greens and grays on everything. Including dungeons and normal modes. The only people who like how healers play right now are people who actually don't know what they're talking about.

Well some folks are indifferent about it like myself. I still have loads of fun with classes like Sage and don't subscribe to the 1 button mantra many others do.
But in generally you should chill with the generalizations

[Nizzi]

Well some folks are indifferent about it like myself. I still have loads of fun with classes like Sage and don't subscribe to the 1 button mantra many others do.
But in generally you should chill with the generalizations

There's no such thing as a "1 button mantra" lmao it's objective reality

[IkaraGreydancer]

There's no such thing as a "1 button mantra" lmao it's objective reality

For YOU. I dont spend most of my time doing that. Unlike others I'm not about to tell someone their experience is wrong though. So no, it's isn't objective fact

[Nizzi]

For YOU. I dont spend most of my time doing that. Unlike others I'm not about to tell someone their experience is wrong though. So no, it's isn't objective fact

I mean, if you don't spend most of your time DPSing, you are objectively playing healer incorrectly unless you're just dipping your toes in and are learning. It's fine if you like healers or don't mind the 1 button spam, but it is an objective fact that the better you get at the job, the less you will be overhealing/GCD healing and the more you will DPSing, which for every healer is the spam 1 button spam for 60-70% of total casts in an instance. Every healer other than WHM has a very small amount of GCD heals and a very large amount of oGCD heals specifically made for weaving in between your Glare/Broil/Malefic/Dosis spam. If a majority of your casts are not that button, either something has gone very very wrong or there's an issue with inexperience/skill level.

[SargeTheSeagull]

Well some folks are indifferent about it like myself.

Then you certainly wouldn’t care very much if more experienced/skilled players absolutely abhor the current healer design and desire changes that do nothing aside from make it more fun.

[IkaraGreydancer]

I mean, if you don't spend most of your time DPSing, you are objectively playing healer incorrectly unless you're just dipping your toes in and are learning. It's fine if you like healers or don't mind the 1 button spam, but it is an objective fact that the better you get at the job, the less you will be overhealing/GCD healing and the more you will DPSing, which for every healer is the spam 1 button spam for 60-70% of total casts in an instance. Every healer other than WHM has a very small amount of GCD heals and a very large amount of oGCD heals specifically made for weaving in between your Glare/Broil/Malefic/Dosis spam. If a majority of your casts are not that button, either something has gone very very wrong or there's an issue with inexperience/skill level.

Last I checked playing a healer correctly requires keeping your team up and healthy dps is extra (though should be done).
You can be the best in the world and if other players aren't up to par you won't be spamming one button. Xiv is full of less than par players in that regard.
I for one like farming for toxicon stacks as it's a fun skill to use and is clutch for when I don't want to use mp due to being low. Keeping shields up and regens up at all times is another thing I do. If thats playing "objectively incorrectly" then I can only guess its been a fluke that I've gotten teams through content for years now

No clue how to quote 2 posts yet but Sarge let's not use the "experience/skill" point as that doesn't equate to having a particular outlook

[Nizzi]

Last I checked playing a healer correctly requires keeping your team up and healthy dps is extra (though should be done).

I'm going to repost something I've posted before because I don't feel like typing all of this to get the same point across:

This is just completely wrong though and not at all how healers in FFXIV work. No matter how much Yoshida says this, the fights say otherwise - the game is not tuned for "just do some DPS where you can!" but instead for healers contributing as much DPS as possible. These fights are tuned around healer DPS. To see that this is the case, all we need to look at is the top E8S speedkill.

https://www.fflogs.com/reports/qCnHW...pe=damage-done

This is the E8S Rank 1 Speedkill. The rDPS requirement for enrage is 90725 and this group logged 104357 rDPS. If you subtract the healers, 104357 - 20662, you end up with 83695 which is 7000 rDPS behind the enrage requirement for the fight. And these are the TOP players for the fight.

If the content was tuned around not requiring healer DPS or just having healers "DPS where they can", it wouldn't be impossible, if not close to impossible to clear even if you had 4 of the best DPS players and 2 of the best tank DPS on the planet. This is the core problem, healers are in fact not "meant to heal." The design encounters that they're sticking with demand that we DPS, and using our GCD healing is always a DPS penalty not just to ourselves, but to our entire party's potential clear.

You can be the best in the world and if other players aren't up to par you won't be spamming one button. Xiv is full of less than par players in that regard.

Relying on random players being bad to be able to actually heal outside of raidwides and tankbusters is incredibly poor design, but I'm not saying you're wrong in that if you're playing with bad players you won't just be spamming your 1 nuke. The problem is that I should not be punished for playing with people who are competent by having nothing to do except twiddle my thumbs and spam Broil over and over while refreshing my DoT twice a minute. I cannot will the game to find bad players to play with, and while current healer defenders insist that XIV is full of these players so you're 'never bored' that has not been my experience. The average run I have is just that, average. People perform and we clear the instance. My main is even on Crystal, the DC with the supposed "worst players" and lowest Savage clears across all DCs.

I for one like farming for toxicon stacks as it's a fun skill to use and is clutch for when I don't want to use mp due to being low. Keeping shields up and regens up at all times is another thing I do. If thats playing "objectively incorrectly" then I can only guess its been a fluke that I've gotten teams through content for years now

That is objectively incorrectly. Toxicon is a DPS loss, keeping shields and regens up is absolutely pointless as there is no reward for overhealing. You're coming up with ways to keep yourself entertained on healer by having all of these little challenges for yourself; but that's not the "correct" way to play. Objectively correct also has nothing to do with casual content; a freestyle SAM slapping the wrong keys and never using Midare and an Ice Mage BLM will eventually clear whatever they're doing as long as they don't mess up mechanics. That doesn't change the fact that there are objectively correct ways to play those jobs, and objectively incorrect ways to play them. This applies to healers as well; DPS is the only metric that matters. You cannot heal a boss to death.

[IkaraGreydancer]

And there lies your issue. I dont to much care about a dps loss dude. And I don't care if savage requires healers to dps. If there isn't a dps check (which most of the game doesn't have them) it isn't needed. Not everyone cares to play optimal and yall need to learn this. I'll take fun over optimal play any day of the week as the 2 don't go hand in hand for me. (And no that doesn't mean just hitting random skills before you say something like that).

Realistically you ain't the decider nor am I on what's the "correct" way to play a healer. Anything outside of healing itself is generally a toss up no matter how you slice it.

You may call it punishing while others have no issue. And no I'm not adding a challenge to myself by doing extra. I'm doing what I do because that's what I enjoy doing. This is the issue I have with this stuff. Alot you guys like to tell others they're wrong or playing bad if they don't like or operate the way you do with healing. I don't exactly feel that's fair

You may, feel you're spamming one button while others may not. There is no right or wrong with either of those

[Nizzi]

And there lies your issue. I dont to much care about a dps loss dude. And I don't care if savage requires healers to dps. If there isn't a dps check (which most of the game doesn't have them) it isn't needed. Not everyone cares to play optimal and yall need to learn this. I'll take fun over optimal play any day of the week as the 2 don't go hand in hand for me. (And no that doesn't mean just hitting random skills before you say something like that).

Realistically you ain't the decider nor am I on what's the "correct" way to play a healer. Anything outside of healing itself is generally a toss up no matter how you slice it.

You may call it punishing while others have no issue. And no I'm not adding a challenge to myself by doing extra. I'm doing what I do because that's what I enjoy doing. This is the issue I have with this stuff. Alot you guys like to tell others they're wrong or playing bad if they don't like or operate the way you do with healing. I don't exactly feel that's fair

You may, feel you're spamming one button while others may not. There is no right or wrong with either of those

I too can plug my ears and scream "NANANANANANA" when people post the objective truth, that doesn't make it not true. That's really great that you don't care about what Savage requires, the proper way to play these jobs or what healers are talking about, but are you just here to post a bunch of nonsense and treat this like your blog? Your input isn't required or necessary if you "don't care" about peoples grievances with their jobs, especially in content like Savage where you readily admit you don't care. Stay in your lane.