Has anyone quit healing?

[Silverbane]

ARR Holy was a 3 second cast. All its incarnations? Clearly Silverbane doesn't play healers. She has no idea what she's talking about.

I see you can't tell the present tense ("has a cast time" as I wrote) from the past tense ("used to have a cast time" as you misinterpreted it).
Holy presently comes in two incarnactions: Holy and Holy III. Both have cast times of 2.5 seconds.

But with someone like you who doesn't understand how channeled spells differ from instant cast ones, it's no surprise your language skills are also inadequate.

[ThorneDynasty]

I see you can't tell the present tense ("has a cast time" as I wrote) from the past tense ("used to have a cast time" as you misinterpreted it).
Holy presently comes in two incarnactions: Holy and Holy III. Both have cast times of 2.5 seconds.

Oof, buddy, you aren't fooling anyone. Hiding behind your own bad grammar is pretty sad.

[FoxCh40s]

Oh, is it that time again? Where the Veteran Community argues with someone who has no idea what they're talking about with zero experience or Tenure on Healers whatsoever?

Is the arguement with that one done? It's almost time for someone else to take the spotlight again.

[Absurdity]

Oh, is it that time again? Where the Veteran Community argues with someone who has no idea what they're talking about with zero experience or Tenure on Healers whatsoever?

Is the arguement with that one done? It's almost time for someone else to take the spotlight again.

Give it a few days, there'll be another one...heck, there's probably another one in a different thread about healers right now.

[Semirhage]

I'm not the moron who doesn't have any actual experience with high level healer play or a cogent argument, and therefore falls back on pedantry because that's all I've got.

That was the point that flew over your head.

Literally everyone in this subforum but you understands what "1.5 second GCD" means when someone says it. You understand what it means too, you just lie about it because you don't have an argument. Just Sylphie point-scoring that only impresses you.

[ASkellington]

Does it count as quitting if I haven't logged in to heal at all because I can't be bothered to run myself through content that doesn't need me without getting horribly depressed because of sheer boredom?

If so I quit.

[Semirhage]

I look forward to the tank we design with 1111111111111111111 as their damage rotation. It's only fair that we appeal to people who find 1111111111111 fun after all.

I look forward to the melee, ranged, and caster DPS that are designed with 111111111111111111 as their main source of engagement. We can't leave behind anyone who enjoys that after all. Why isn't there a job for them?

I enjoy WHM's aesthetic. I think it sucks that people are totally willing to sacrifice it as the boring terribly-designed-on-purpose job because people who don't actually enjoy playing healers and don't care about improving at the role "need" a job that basically can't fail even if they're slamming their faces on the controller.

[Renathras]

I look forward to the tank we design with 1111111111111111111 as their damage rotation. It's only fair that we appeal to people who find 1111111111111 fun after all.

I look forward to the melee, ranged, and caster DPS that are designed with 111111111111111111 as their main source of engagement. We can't leave behind anyone who enjoys that after all. Why isn't there a job for them?

I enjoy WHM's aesthetic. I think it sucks that people are totally willing to sacrifice it as the boring terribly-designed-on-purpose job because people who don't actually enjoy playing healers and don't care about improving at the role "need" a job that basically can't fail even if they're slamming their faces on the controller.

[EDIT: Note here I'm talking about GCDs. Healers have oGCDs they weave as well, and since you're ignoring them to make the 11111 (it's actually 211111211111) argument, we can also ignore other Jobs' oGCDs and will only be talking about GCDs in their rotations.]

I mean, WAR is borderline that already. They have, what, 5 damage buttons (GCDs), one of which they only use every 30 seconds to keep their self-buff up? If Storm's Eye was removed/the buff made baseline and their 1-2-3 got the PvP treatment, WAR would basically be a Tank designed like what you're asking for.

SMN is basically a 1-2 button DPS as is, the 2 of which is a oGCD in Titan. You cycle through Summons and you use those two buttons that change based on which is out. Honestly, if they just merged Ruin 3 and Gemshine so that Ruin 3 was the 1 in the 1-2, it would achieve that same result with the 2 being functionally SMN's "Dia". The kit already does this in DWT/FBT with Ruin 3 becoming the basic Demi attack GCD. So we already have that for Casters.

MCH is close to this on Ranged. You have your 1-2-3 combo and all of 3 buttons (Air Anchor, Drill, Buzzsaw) that you use on CD. The PvP system has the 1-2-3 combo as one button and AA/Drill/BS/and also Bioblaster as one button that just cycles between the four every 20 seconds. MCH is basically this right now, and could be made into a 11111 DPS fairly easily.

The only role in the game that doesn't have one of these right now is Melee, and in the case of healers, ALL FOUR healers are this right now.

Being designed to be simple and straightforward isn't "boring terribly-designed-on-purpose". What you're failing to understand is "Semirhage doesn't like this thing" does not mean "This thing is terribly designed...on purpose!" I know it's hard for you to grasp, but many players DO like that style of play. Square is never going to get rid of it. So your option is either all healers have it, or WHM has it and the others have something else.

Aesthetically, I prefer SCH, but I like WHM's simple style. If we made all those changes I said in the other thread, I'd swap from SCH to WHM. But I'd accept that, since it means people like you could play AST/SCH/SGE and find at least one you enjoy.

And for reference: "enjoy playing healers" means "enjoy healing". If we enjoyed dealing damage and complex damage rotations, we'd all be playing DPSers. What YOU seem to want is to be a DPSer with some oGCD heals so you can benefit from healer ques.

[MintnHoney]

And for reference: "enjoy playing healers" means "enjoy healing". If we enjoyed dealing damage and complex damage rotations, we'd all be playing DPSers. What YOU seem to want is to be a DPSer with some oGCD heals so you can benefit from healer ques.

Far be it from me to step into this unwanted, but that's... an odd thing to take from Semirhage's statement. They're advocating (and have always been) that WHM shouldn't just be made into an idiot job just because someone (you, apparently) decide we need one, therefore WHM should be that. In fact, if any job should be the job that keeps the "211111..." gameplay, it should be AST, so long as the focus remains on the cards.
If you're not advocating for making the WHM into an idiot job, then, excuse me; however, for someone so focused on correcting others and being so wildly specific about keeping details accurate, you're failing to establish that in your argument.

That said, there's no reason why any job should just be an idiot job at all, to be honest. There are many ways to keep a job's skill floor entry-level friendly without enforcing a lobotomy, while allowing room between it and the skill ceiling. The gradually declining space between the floor and ceiling is the reason why players, at least as attested to in this thread, generally tend to leave the healer role for something that they feel has room for growth and rewarding/fun gameplay, even if they usually enjoy healing.

[Renathras]

<some personal insults alongside some otherwise good discussion topics>

No, Semirhage's point seems to be that they like doing damage and want a more buttons damage kit. It has nothing to do with being an "idiot" or not.

AST also makes no sense for the simple gameplay, since the point of having a simple Job is for it to be...simple...and AST isn't. As I noted above, WHM has the most straightforward and direct healing kit. I contrasted Tetra and Essential Dignity to make this point, but I can pick out just about any other set of comparable abilities and show that the AST ones have more nuance and the WHM ones are straighforward "just the facts, ma'am" abilities to do the job at hand.

Enjoying healing tends to mean enjoying healing...not enjoying dpsing. Indeed, many people that play healers (and to a lesser extent, tanks) in MMOs do so explicitly because they find DPS rotations unsatisfying or unenjoyable to perform.

But hey, since you don't like my suggestion, I guess it means you prefer the alternative? STICKING WITH WHAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW WITH NO CHANGES?

Because make no mistake, that IS the alternative. In making the perfect the enemy of the good, you sacrifice any shot at your perfect. I'm perfectly content with everything remaining as it is today, too. By your words, I would wager you are not. What I'm proposing is the compromise position.