*Spoilers* Anyone feel joining Emet would have been better

[thegreatonemal]

And yet, people still sympathize with a character who we’ve been her puppet for the past 8-10 years, with 0 agency for ourselves, and who knew of multiple deaths, and destruction and still let it all happen anyways.

You're laboring under the assumption that she just stood by and let the aciasns run wild. Pretty sure there have been warriors of light throughout the ages. That very fact goes against your assumption. She tried and failed to stop them.

[KizuyaKatogami]

You're laboring under the assumption that she just stood by and let the aciasns run wild. Pretty sure there have been warriors of light throughout the ages. That very fact goes against your assumption. She tried and failed to stop them.

Except her entire plan hinged upon them causing calamities. She stood by and watched her people get slaughtered by the final days. By all means continue though, to believe she truly did everything she could. Except you know, not lie, not keep secrets, tell the truth etc etc.

[thegreatonemal]

Except her entire plan hinged upon them causing calamities. She stood by and watched her people get slaughtered by the final days. By all means continue though, to believe she truly did everything she could. Except you know, not lie, not keep secrets, tell the truth etc etc.

No it didn't. All she knew is that they did, that doesn't mean she didn't try to stop them The whole making warriors of light to fight against the forces of darkness throughout the ages is more than enough proof. She explained why she didn't speak to the 14, you also have zero proof that she didn't do anything during the final days. You can just say you don't like the character, making stuff up to justify your dislike ain't it.

[KizuyaKatogami]

No it didn't. All she knew is that they did, that doesn't mean she didn't try to stop them The whole making warriors of light to fight against the forces of darkness throughout the ages is more than enough proof. She explained why she didn't speak to the 14, you also have zero proof that she didn't do anything during the final days. You can just say you don't like the character, making stuff up to justify your dislike ain't it.

Lmao. We literally have a montage of her walking and doing nothing during the final days. Yes, she mad warriors, because we told her thats what happened. Again, everything needed to happen exactly how it did. Im not making anything up you are, go back and replay Ew instead of spouting nonsense and headcanon.

[Alleo]

You're laboring under the assumption that she just stood by and let the aciasns run wild. Pretty sure there have been warriors of light throughout the ages. That very fact goes against your assumption. She tried and failed to stop them.

Especially since we probably did not tell her every little detail when we told them our story. (After all we dont have all the information ourselves) So the most she might have known would be the amount of calamites but not necessarily when they happened.

Which means that she could not sit by because she does not know if that would be a calamity that did happen or if it would change the future.

Lmao. We literally have a montage of her walking and doing nothing during the final days. Yes, she mad warriors, because we told her thats what happened. Again, everything needed to happen exactly how it did. Im not making anything up you are, go back and replay Ew instead of spouting nonsense and headcanon.

And in that very same montage Hythlodaeus casually walked away from Emet while people got eaten left and right. Hermes stands around looking at the sky too while everything burns around him. We know from the story that Zodiark stopped the final days with the first sacrifices and then after getting another round of Ancients he restored the planet. Yet in that very montage we have Venat talking to the Ancients while the world is not only still burning around them but you can even see the final boss of the Amaurot dungeon still flying around. And we know from Shadowbringer that Zodiark and Hydealyn fought before she bascially sundered him and thus the star.

What she talked about was important. Showing that she had tried to talk them out of it but failed to do so.

So tell me then: How did we know every detail necessary to exactly tell her about every single calamity that happened? After all for her to let everything happen as you said she would need to know every bit of information.

[Absimiliard]

So tell me then: How did we know every detail necessary to exactly tell her about every single calamity that happened? After all for her to let everything happen as you said she would need to know every bit of information.

The Warrior of Light is explicitly shown to be an exceptionally well-learned and traveled individual, and an excellent storyteller to boot. While it is impossible for the WoL to have known everything, there is a significant amount of information they come across over the course of the game's story. The WoL does understand the mechanics and requirements behind Calamities and Rejoinings by the time you go to Elpis. While you are correct in assuming they wouldn't know every Calamity down to the detail, they would have a very good general idea of when the (by their perception) most recent ones took place as well as which element each required the scales tip toward.

Factor in everything else the WoL knew by that point, and Venat is suddenly rather well forewarned as to things to come. If nothing else, it's plenty enough information for her to recognize signs of Ascian BS and thus be able to take action preemptively when they're setting the stage for a Calamity.

What I wonder isn't even about Calamities and the like. What I'm curious about is if the WoL bothered to tell her about all the non-Ascian-related suffering, sorrow, and death people from their time endure on the regular. Her seeming hard lean into "suffering is good" leads me to rather strongly suspect this was indeed amongst the information passed along, though I don't think Venat knew just how bad it was going to be until she saw it with her own eyes. Even the best of storytellers cannot convey such misery with words, after all. Only by seeing, if not experiencing, can one truly grasp the scope of sorrows inflicted by mortality and its frailties.

[thegreatonemal]

The Warrior of Light is explicitly shown to be an exceptionally well-learned and traveled individual, and an excellent storyteller to boot. While it is impossible for the WoL to have known everything, there is a significant amount of information they come across over the course of the game's story. The WoL does understand the mechanics and requirements behind Calamities and Rejoinings by the time you go to Elpis. While you are correct in assuming they wouldn't know every Calamity down to the detail, they would have a very good general idea of when the (by their perception) most recent ones took place as well as which element each required the scales tip toward.

Factor in everything else the WoL knew by that point, and Venat is suddenly rather well forewarned as to things to come. If nothing else, it's plenty enough information for her to recognize signs of Ascian BS and thus be able to take action preemptively when they're setting the stage for a Calamity.

What I wonder isn't even about Calamities and the like. What I'm curious about is if the WoL bothered to tell her about all the non-Ascian-related suffering, sorrow, and death people from their time endure on the regular. Her seeming hard lean into "suffering is good" leads me to rather strongly suspect this was indeed amongst the information passed along, though I don't think Venat knew just how bad it was going to be until she saw it with her own eyes. Even the best of storytellers cannot convey such misery with words, after all. Only by seeing, if not experiencing, can one truly grasp the scope of sorrows inflicted by mortality and its frailties.

The current WoL is only alive and present for the latest calamity. The sixth happened Hundreds of years before their life even began. You seem to forget that the calamities are centuries apart or even longer and each one basically resets humanity back to square one. We woulnd't be able to give her any kind of detail.