Can we talk about the Yoshi P double standard and bias here?

[Nanne]

Right but the figures we're talking about are from up to 6 May, and you were talking about fire vs ice pre-6.11a. Freeze under Superflare quite literally is a bind. Half-asleep did nothing but create a window to remove the sleep effect. The slow was added recently. The only thing out of these which can reasonably be taken as a "stun" is the sleep effect.

Deep freeze has been a stun since the launch of 6.1 when the new PvP skill sets came out (the tool tips say "target cannot move" but it literally stuns you and the only action you can do is Purify)

[MintnHoney]

Deep Freeze under Superflare quite literally is a bind.

You cannot perform actions while afflicted by Deep Freeze.
The effect of deep freeze has also never been altered since the release of 6.1.

Deep Freeze is a type of stun.
This was blatant favoritism and YoshiP has to cover it up because it's a really bad look when a DEV plays PVP on his favorite job, eats dirt, and suddenly patches their favorite job to be stronger than ever.

There really aren't many other ways to spin all this and look honest.

[Karowolus]

Except as many people have stated, it’s the fact it’s over buffed and it’s the fact it got immediately changed. Whereas problems like healers for the past 6+ years have gotten little to no attention. That is blatantly bias.

A dev team overbuffing a class or character and then realizing the mistake once it was in the hands of players is not exactly uncommon in PVP games, the amount of times where Riot for example have had to backtrack on champion adjustments because they were more powerful than they expected is almost innumerable to count. We should be glad that these changes were made almost immediately before it was abused. It's not bias. PVP is the 'hot topic' right now due to Garo and CC. Of course there are going to be PVP changes made beacuse that's what happens when something is busy. Dev teams get feedback, and that feedback is acted upon.

Yoshida has said several times in the past that he wants to avoid this because he KNEW this is how people would respond. Why do you think black mage has played mostly the same for the majority of the game's life? If yoshida truly was Biased to BLM, we would see more BLM players around because they'd be the 'star child' that gets buffed into oblivion. The fact that they are RESCINDING some of these buffs shows that the perceived bias was not intentional bias.

[KizuyaKatogami]

A dev team overbuffing a class or character and then realizing the mistake once it was in the hands of players is not exactly uncommon in PVP games, the amount of times where Riot for example have had to backtrack on champion adjustments because they were more powerful than they expected is almost innumerable to count. We should be glad that these changes were made almost immediately before it was abused. It's not bias. PVP is the 'hot topic' right now due to Garo and CC. Of course there are going to be PVP changes made beacuse that's what happens when something is busy. Dev teams get feedback, and that feedback is acted upon.

Yoshida has said several times in the past that he wants to avoid this because he KNEW this is how people would respond. Why do you think black mage has played mostly the same for the majority of the game's life? If yoshida truly was Biased to BLM, we would see more BLM players around because they'd be the 'star child' that gets buffed into oblivion. The fact that they are RESCINDING some of these buffs shows that the perceived bias was not intentional bias.

Except blm has always been fine every expansion and it got the biggest qol of any job this expansion lmao. The fact is it’s funny how they over buff and immediately act upon blm issues, yet…dnc is in the pvp gutter. Gnb needs basically an entire rework. Whm has reigned supreme. Scholar is op in frontlines. Smn is op in frontlines etc. Yet all these are ignored for….blm, the lead devs main job. It’s absolutely intentional bias or the devs are just ignorant beyond belief in which case i don’t know what’s worse. How long was whm op and the whm bug existed and how long was it abused before it got changed? Exactly. So please don’t speak to me about abusing certain jobs etc when that’s been going on for a long time and they did nothing.

[Milus]

How long was whm op and the whm bug existed and how long was it abused before it got changed?

^That part.

[Midareyukki]

Except blm has always been fine every expansion and it got the biggest qol of any job this expansion lmao. The fact is it’s funny how they over buff and immediately act upon blm issues, yet…dnc is in the pvp gutter. Gnb needs basically an entire rework. Whm has reigned supreme. Scholar is op in frontlines. Smn is op in frontlines etc. Yet all these are ignored for….blm, the lead devs main job. It’s absolutely intentional bias or the devs are just ignorant beyond belief in which case i don’t know what’s worse. How long was whm op and the whm bug existed and how long was it abused before it got changed? Exactly. So please don’t speak to me about abusing certain jobs etc when that’s been going on for a long time and they did nothing.

It's not always been fine xD Do you not remember that time they needed to play with tools measuring server ticks to do their opener? An opener which didn't outDPS Summoners? Or how they've even lost their status of having high AoE to SMN?

It is the class that's been largely the same across every expansion and it being a selfish DPS class always means it does high damage.

[Nizzi]

being a selfish DPS class always means it does high damage.

*Looks over at MCH, lying dead of the floor in a puddle of it's own spit*

Y-yeah, right...

[Lauront]

You cannot perform actions while afflicted by Deep Freeze.
The effect of deep freeze has also never been altered since the release of 6.1.

Deep Freeze is a type of stun.
This was blatant favoritism and YoshiP has to cover it up because it's a really bad look when a DEV plays PVP on his favorite job, eats dirt, and suddenly patches their favorite job to be stronger than ever.

There really aren't many other ways to spin all this and look honest.

Yep I tested it in a duel with a BLM friend to remove any noise/distractions with a full 3 sec whack, and it is indeed a stun, so TIL. I don't disagree with the rest, I don't think his explanation stacks up and it reeks of a cover for the actual motivations/thought process here.

[Shougun]

An update
https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodes...ac1af14c1e3107

Nice update, hopefully the reversions and changes will address things better.

I want to add that I think it's good they check win and usage rates but definitely should be careful in that a job with a high technical skill might be really fun and powerful but exude statistics that read as if it's bad. . . I don't think having a lot of such things is perhaps ideal but that it is probably good that there are some that feel this way- for those players who actually like to have more expected of them and be rewarded for it.

Like probably not for me lol, but I can see how- just like In MOBA games, some people like the really technical job (hero) that can show off their skills (which doesn't even mean those jobs / heroes are OP in comparison when played well, just that those harder ones played well give positive feedback to the players seeking that experience because it's obvious they're doing well because they're not doing terribly lol). Which means the job might have weird looking numbers given they're designed more outside the normal bounds. Just like I think it's good some jobs are just a bit easier to do well, and then there is the middle range that isn't too easy but also doesn't expect God fingers either.

[Fukuro]

An update
https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodes...ac1af14c1e3107

It's funny that some memes got Yoshi-P to respond so quickly, while some other issues are left in the dust.