Is the "One Steppe at a Time V" achievement reward a bit cruel to put up?

[gioroggia]

Not every thing in the game needs to be a consolation prize, especially in PVP. Work for your rewards and then feel the satisfaction of getting over those losses and reeling in those wins.

I would agree except that Frontlines is... Well... Frontlines. Each player contributes very little to the end results, the jobs are extremely unbalanced in the mode, and 80% of the people there are just in for the roulette exp and don't care about trying to win. So... It is always a consolation prize, the only difference is whether you are lucky and it comes quickly or unlucky and it takes ages to materialize.

That, or make a 4-man all-summoner premade through a PvP discord server to boost your win rate. But then it is hardly your own merit.

So I don't think this talk of "consolation prize" applies to the achievement OP is discussing. It's not like the current achievement relies much on the player's skills and merits anyway.

[Liam_Harper]

I would agree except that Frontlines is... Well... Frontlines. Each player contributes very little to the end results

I have to agree with that. Normally I'd be fine with achievements where you have to succeed to earn them, but in a 72 man you're very much rolling the dice each time. As an individual you don't really earn it through your own ability as a player.

It's basically already a participation prize, just more like "participate in roughly 200-400 games and we'll give you the achievement somewhere along the line based on your luck". No reason not to set it to a flat 300.

[Gserpent]

I would agree except that Frontlines is... Well... Frontlines. Each player contributes very little to the end results, the jobs are extremely unbalanced in the mode, and 80% of the people there are just in for the roulette exp and don't care about trying to win. So... It is always a consolation prize, the only difference is whether you are lucky and it comes quickly or unlucky and it takes ages to materialize.

That, or make a 4-man all-summoner premade through a PvP discord server to boost your win rate. But then it is hardly your own merit.

So I don't think this talk of "consolation prize" applies to the achievement OP is discussing. It's not like the current achievement relies much on the player's skills and merits anyway.

Individual players can make substantial contributions to the game. You can't carry a game all by yourself, but four players coordinating can absolutely tip the scales in a substantial way.

SMN isn't as good as you believe it to be, by the way. They have basically nothing to contribute to fights between Bahamut summons, and you can easily just guard through Bahamut anyhow.

[gioroggia]

Individual players can make substantial contributions to the game. You can't carry a game all by yourself, but four players coordinating can absolutely tip the scales in a substantial way.

SMN isn't as good as you believe it to be, by the way. They have basically nothing to contribute to fights between Bahamut summons, and you can easily just guard through Bahamut anyhow.

Individually you mean next to nothing to the end results even if you're highly skilled. And, like I said, if to actually make a difference you need to be in a 4-man premade, then it is not really your own skill that affects your win rate. It is the fact that you have three people willing to play frontlines with you. That's fine, no problem there. But it doesn't make the achievement "merit-based", since it is not really your skill tipping the scales in your favor, it is the fact that your team likely has one more premade than the other teams. That's what I mean.

About summoner... Well, all you have to do to settle this is look at at the stats at the end of the game. Summoner and Scholar tend to have far more damage than any other job - it's not even close - with the difference that Scholar's damage does not translate into enemy deaths nearly as often as Summoner's damage does. Sure, other jobs can contribute. Scholar itself has useful buffs, WHM heals a ton and has useful CC, Dragoon can deal a fair amount of damage and then back away into safety, DRK/PLD can jump in attracting enemy attention then pop their immune tools... Etc. But Summoner is just a tier above in FF and that will not change anytime soon because balance will be based around CC, and on CC they're not nearly as good.

[Gserpent]

Individually you mean next to nothing to the end results even if you're highly skilled. And, like I said, if to actually make a difference you need to be in a 4-man premade, then it is not really your own skill that affects your win rate. It is the fact that you have three people willing to play frontlines with you. That's fine, no problem there. But it doesn't make the achievement "merit-based", since it is not really your skill tipping the scales in your favor, it is the fact that your team likely has one more premade than the other teams. That's what I mean.

About summoner... Well, all you have to do to settle this is look at at the stats at the end of the game. Summoner and Scholar tend to have far more damage than any other job - it's not even close - with the difference that Scholar's damage does not translate into enemy deaths nearly as often as Summoner's damage does. Sure, other jobs can contribute. Scholar itself has useful buffs, WHM heals a ton and has useful CC, Dragoon can deal a fair amount of damage and then back away into safety, DRK/PLD can jump in attracting enemy attention then pop their immune tools... Etc. But Summoner is just a tier above in FF and that will not change anytime soon because balance will be based around CC, and on CC they're not nearly as good.

I have literally won games by fewer points than my Kills minus Deaths earned us. That's not saying that "I'm why we won!" but you could certainly argue that we might not have won if I hadn't been playing that well.

Summoner is completely fine, dude. Megaflare is only 18k damage, Akh Morn is only 12k, and SMN has basically zero impact between Bahamut summonings. If you want to cheese with a 4-man group, you should all play WHM. Four lasers cast together on the same location will instantly kill anything they hit and four people coordinating usage of poly can be very, very effective.

For solo play, AST is very strong because, well... it's AST. NIN and BRD are also very strong choices.

[gioroggia]

I have literally won games by fewer points than my Kills minus Deaths earned us. That's not saying that "I'm why we won!" but you could certainly argue that we might not have won if I hadn't been playing that well.

Summoner is completely fine, dude. Megaflare is only 18k damage, Akh Morn is only 12k, and SMN has basically zero impact between Bahamut summonings. If you want to cheese with a 4-man group, you should all play WHM. Four lasers cast together on the same location will instantly kill anything they hit and four people coordinating usage of poly can be very, very effective.

For solo play, AST is very strong because, well... it's AST. NIN and BRD are also very strong choices.

Honestly, there is no point discussing this with you if you think "summoner is fine in FL". There is something very wrong in the way you are interpreting the game. Look at the damage and kills table at the end and look at which job gets picked by premades trying to boost their wins. Also, there is an obvious reason as to why Summoner's lb is considerably more effective than WHM's in Frontlines. Can you really not tell what it is?

[Apeman]

Honestly, there is no point discussing this with you if you think "summoner is fine in FL". There is something very wrong in the way you are interpreting the game. Look at the damage and kills table at the end and look at which job gets picked by premades trying to boost their wins. Also, there is an obvious reason as to why Summoner's lb is considerably more effective than WHM's in Frontlines. Can you really not tell what it is?

Just ignore that person. They have no clue what they are talking about.

[Eno_R]

I'm gonna need to convince myself to give up on this dream cause this constant losing streak is starting to feel like a detriment to my mental health.