What's the point with that quite lackluster story in Endwalker?

[Xirean]

My issue with this is it puts Loghrif permanently in the back seat of any life unless she chooses not to be reborn, which seems to be a thing as of EW. This is another reason why I consider the sundering such a violation because the original soul's rights were not only overwritten once, but in perpetuity. It's like the crime that just keeps on committing.

We unfortunately cannot undo every wrong deed. The means to "fix" things involve hurting/killing other people. Two wrongs don't make a right. Yes people died, but their souls are reborn and those new lives have every right to live what life they can.

It gets a bit worse when you consider that it wasn't really Loghrif or Mitron at that point. They were both sundered which means an Ascian put memories back into them. Those two already got overwritten once. Which means one of their reincarnations has already been robbed of life. However seeing the direction this thread is taking I'm inclined to believe people think that is a good thing. Please tell me I'm wrong.

[anhaato]

We unfortunately cannot undo every wrong deed. The means to "fix" things involve hurting/killing other people. Two wrongs don't make a right. Yes people died, but their souls are reborn and those new lives have every right to live what life they can.

It gets a bit worse when you consider that it wasn't really Loghrif or Mitron at that point. They were both sundered which means an Ascian put memories back into them. Those two already got overwritten once. Which means one of their reincarnations has already been robbed of life. However seeing the direction this thread is taking I'm inclined to believe people think that is a good thing. Please tell me I'm wrong.

Nah, this thread is pretty deranged. I agree with a lot of what they say which is why I come here but I also have to be honest. You're talking to a self-declared "proud rejoiner" and they're not the only ones who think Ascian genocide is good and the sundered shouldn't be allowed to exist, despite hundreds of pages discussing why Venat committed genocide and that makes her a villain. Again, I agree with the point on Venat which is why I come here, but instead of combatting hypocrisy it seems the latest trend is being just as much of a hypocrite in the other direction.

[Theodric]

It's fiction. It isn't real so I'm not sure what is meant to be 'deranged' about the matter.

I can't say I'm interested in policing personal tastes. I simply want a story that is consistent and coherent. I'm weary of the story claiming that something is 'unforgivable' when the 'bad guys' do it only to bend over backwards to excuse the same thing when the self proclaimed 'good guys' indulge in such antics.

[anhaato]

Understand exaggeration, first of all. Also your reductionist argument doesn't make these takes not hypocritical.

[KageTokage]

The people who think the rejoinings were actually justified are an extreme minority as far as I've noticed.

You can argue the Sundering was wrong, but at this point it's simply the way the world is now and it's unlikely there's any way it could be reversed without catastrophic consequences...nor is there really any practical reason for doing so at this point as mankind has been irrevocably changed for better and worse and the world becoming whole again isn't going to just magically fix that.

It would actually be liable to make things worse in the long run as you'd potentially have people as powerful as the Ancients being the norm, but without their moral compass and unity to prevent strife and we already saw how badly Hermes on his own was able to mess things up without even really intending to originally.

[KizuyaKatogami]

Nah, this thread is pretty deranged. I agree with a lot of what they say which is why I come here but I also have to be honest. You're talking to a self-declared "proud rejoiner" and they're not the only ones who think Ascian genocide is good and the sundered shouldn't be allowed to exist, despite hundreds of pages discussing why Venat committed genocide and that makes her a villain. Again, I agree with the point on Venat which is why I come here, but instead of combatting hypocrisy it seems the latest trend is being just as much of a hypocrite in the other direction.

I feel there’s a major difference but it’s down to personal opinion and very much subjective. I see Venat’s genocide as incredibly worse because she caused an extreme unnatural occurrence, the rejoining is simply undoing said unnatural occurrence and fixing it. The sundering in the long run causes much more death and suffering than a one and done rejoining would statistically speaking. Not sure why hypocrite is being thrown around though, nor do i understand why this thread is “deranged.” Bit rude if i’m honest.

[Skyborne]

It would actually be liable to make things worse in the long run as you'd potentially have people as powerful as the Ancients being the norm, but without their moral compass and unity to prevent strife and we already saw how badly Hermes on his own was able to mess things up without even really intending to originally.

Still once more a shame that Elpis was mainly just a main story prop for a couple levels and we never got much of a glimpse of their history or how the original 14 came to be leaders. Their culture was formed around unity/preventing strife and suppressing their darker natures, as hinted to by that one Amaurotine shade that tells you to dress properly, so there must've been some fireworks flying around at some point...

Also, throw me in the pile of "wish there was some way to rejoin that doesn't involve cataclysmic disasters" since 5.0. If we can suddenly cure tempering with funny pigs and suddenly all of the "Alliance" and beast tribes are all holding hands and singing, well...

Nah, this thread is pretty deranged. I agree with a lot of what they say which is why I come here but I also have to be honest. You're talking to a self-declared "proud rejoiner" and they're not the only ones who think Ascian genocide is good and the sundered shouldn't be allowed to exist, despite hundreds of pages discussing why Venat committed genocide and that makes her a villain. Again, I agree with the point on Venat which is why I come here, but instead of combatting hypocrisy it seems the latest trend is being just as much of a hypocrite in the other direction.

There exist ascian fans/villain fans who are miffed that one type is misdeed is swept under the carpet and its perpetrator praised in glowing sparkling terms with the developers telling us she isn't a bad guy, while the other type(which is intended to remedy the former) is treated as what it is. I know, I know! Just lock me up irl, I am far too dangerous.

[anhaato]

Everyone who disagrees with me is going to the asylum for wrongthink it's true

[KizuyaKatogami]

Everyone who disagrees with me is going to the asylum for wrongthink it's true

Does the asylum at least have good food. I love me some elpis shanks.

[Moebious]

Glad to see such a huge thread exists, trying to discuss the faults/problems with Endwalker's story or writing.

Initially I only saw Endwalker as having some bad pacing issues here and there, not liking a certain character, with some core problems/questions unanswered. To its current state, now all aging like milk.

I kinda hoped they were going to make it so that we find out that Hydaelynn had tempered us, and that the 'blessing' was nothing more than being tempered as well. But it was not so, it was just bad writing, to hamfist/force a character to be "so good", and "sooooo amaziiiiing!", she could do no wrong even in mass genocide. The codex speaks for itself, utterly disappointed how hard they try to force Venat on us, when she's clearly a genocidal psychopath.

God, I fear what they might do to Estinien, in the future, after looking at what happened to G'raha Tia...