I think I have the answer to the DPS add on dillemma

[Elesh]

By screaming,.
Dont tell me this doesnt happen , it does. I am immensely amused by the utter denial I see in these threads that parsers dont contribute to toxic and abusive behaviour.

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When I used to play a game that was a lot more friendly towards parsing tools, I had a friend whose computer struggled to run the game. He'd ask the raid all the time what his dps was so he knew. Yes, people in organized environments WANT to know how they're doing. They want to have that discussion - in a constructive way of course.

You don't join a structured, cooperative high end environment without wanting to improve and wanting to have discussions about how to optimize to reach a goal. That's the point of that environment - getting a group of like-minded individuals together to push and challenge top end content and maximize their class to do it. So yes, we did want to have that discussion. In my current static we're always discussing 'should we swap x with y in order to maximize dps because this class likely does more than that class and we need a bit more dps in this group because the adds are dying slower'.

But in a pug? No. You don't have those discussions in a pug unless someone asks. Obviously that's just rude. If you're not happy with how a group is going, you leave on your own. You don't try to get someone else kicked.

No, I don't disagree that things like that happen. People with bad attitudes exist. But... again, we don't remove the in-game chat because 'some people might harass others using it'. We don't remove glam because 'people judge others by their glam taste and harass them'. We don't outlaw kitchen knives in real life because 'someone might hurt someone with one'. Tools are not inherently good or bad. They can be used for good or bad. You introduce rules and punishments for people who cannot use the tools well, you do not say 'NO TOOLS FOR ANYONE because SOMEONE might do bad'.

then what about a meter that you can activate at will.
So you can activate it in any situation you want to be measured.
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To be clear, my preferred implementation is a personal dps meter that has to be turned on to be visible(ie. opt in rather than opt out) only shows your own dps that can be exported into a logfile to be submitted to analysis/data collating tools. Just so we're on the same page regarding what I want this game to have.

And I don't want them to change anything about the harassment parts of the ToS because harassing people over performance is just awful.

[BaconBits]

We should just ban the entire playerbase tbh.

Don't have worry about dps checks or parsers if there isn't a single soul playing the game, amirite?

[Klytania]

Target dummies don't exactly fight back. That's kind of the point of damage calculators. "Can I maintain good damage while dodging all of these attacks and resolving mechanics"

[Shurrikhan]

My brother in Hydaelyn please put less effort into trashing people on the forums and more effort into clearing the tier

"Parsers would be bad because they'd be used for gatekeeping, which I think is inherently toxic."

Moments later: "Your opinion is worthless because you haven't yet cleared this tier of Savage content," despite that having nothing to do with the topic of discussion.

Should I even be surprised at this point?

My sister in Hydaelyn it was literally a joke

My mistake, then. As it came on the heels of having just called another person out for the same, it seemed less likely. Having gone through Ivtrix's post history, I see now that the comments were made in jest. My apologies.

[SwingLifeAway]

"Parsers would be bad because they'd be used for gatekeeping, which I think is inherently toxic."

Moments later: "Your opinion is worthless because you haven't yet cleared this tier of Savage content."

Should I even be surprised at this point?

My sister in Hydaelyn it was literally a joke

Should I even be surprised at this point?