Tale of Emet [FF14 x Nier Reincarnation event story]

[EdwinLi]

Worse than that, considering who created the Behemoth...

This was a real moment for WoL.

I have a feeling this maybe a long time gag for FF14 now when a behemoth is involved in a story for players who did that side quests to always have a special dialogue option involving WoL remembering he/she help create Behemoth.

[Cleretic]

You'd think control over Alexander would be priority #1 for the Ascians, cause hell, if the Illuminati can make it work, why not the, "Primordial Heroes?" They don't even need technology outside of Alexander since they don't need spatial movement since they're not trying to prevent a Rejoining.

You assume the Ascians actually knew that was going on. They were a little preoccupied at the time.

The only Ascian influence on Alexander as it was going on was Travanchet supplying the treasure of Seal Rock, but I think that was more just general primal-summoning agitations; he knows there's potential for a primal there, he already knew they tried, he just has to stoke the flames. Chances are he didn't know time travel was going to happen at all, because the Illuminati were basically the only people involved who did know that was gonna happen!

Which, when you think about it... good job, Travanchet. The demise of the Ascians was basically his fault.

[Vyrerus]

You assume the Ascians actually knew that was going on. They were a little preoccupied at the time.

The only Ascian influence on Alexander as it was going on was Travanchet supplying the treasure of Seal Rock, but I think that was more just general primal-summoning agitations; he knows there's potential for a primal there, he already knew they tried, he just has to stoke the flames. Chances are he didn't know time travel was going to happen at all, because the Illuminati were basically the only people involved who did know that was gonna happen!

Which, when you think about it... good job, Travanchet. The demise of the Ascians was basically his fault.

He told Mide the exact place to summon Alexander though. How could he know that without knowing what was going to be summoned?

[RyuDragnier]

This was a real moment for WoL.

I have a feeling this maybe a long time gag for FF14 now when a behemoth is involved in a story for players who did that side quests to always have a special dialogue option involving WoL remembering he/she help create Behemoth.

Scion: "Why the hell does this thing know how to cast Meteor?"
WoL: "...it was a good idea at the time."
Scion: "What?"
WoL: "Nothing, nothing..."

[Vyrerus]

You assume the Ascians actually knew that was going on. They were a little preoccupied at the time.

The only Ascian influence on Alexander as it was going on was Travanchet supplying the treasure of Seal Rock, but I think that was more just general primal-summoning agitations; he knows there's potential for a primal there, he already knew they tried, he just has to stoke the flames. Chances are he didn't know time travel was going to happen at all, because the Illuminati were basically the only people involved who did know that was gonna happen!

Which, when you think about it... good job, Travanchet. The demise of the Ascians was basically his fault.

But yeah, totally just general primal shenanigans. Reuniting the very specific Macguffin at the very specific river location for Mide's very specific desire was just all coincidental.

[MikkoAkure]

But yeah, totally just general primal shenanigans. Reuniting the very specific Macguffin at the very specific river location for Mide's very specific desire was just all coincidental.

Alexander can see all timelines past, present, and future, and all possible permutations of the "perfect world" and decides that the perfect world cannot exist with him in it and specifically decides to seal itself away and put its hope in our WoL so neither Travanchet nor any of the Ascians would have been able to do anything with it anyway. This could also retroactively mean that it knows about the Ancients, the Tycoon, the 8UC, and the Final Final Days and decides that it's all better than letting the Ascians win so there's that.

Plus Alexander draws so much aether from the planet itself that it is specifically stated that it would cause another Calamity if left to run on its own so yeah, sounds like generic primal shenanigans.

[Cleretic]

But yeah, totally just general primal shenanigans. Reuniting the very specific Macguffin at the very specific river location for Mide's very specific desire was just all coincidental.

Presuming that he saw their failed attempt, he knows how to make this thing go big. He knows what the treasure of Seal Rock does, he knows that the primal they're trying to summon is a huge goddamn chunker. Given that what we know he wanted to do was to use Alexander's continued existence to cause a Calamity by draining the entire planet dry (it was one of the many plans for a light-aligned Calamity), yeah, he knows the right place to put them. Alexander's a big robot, can't summon a big robot without a good clear site to summon the entire robot. Especially given the lake gives reasonable cover against the summon being noticed too quickly.

[Iscah]

He told Mide the exact place to summon Alexander though. How could he know that without knowing what was going to be summoned?

I would have to go over all the background again to see who knows what and when, but do any of them know at that point that they are trying to create something that can time-travel, or simply a utopian city?

It sounds more like he's egging her on to do a thing she already has the basic plans for. Perhaps even the location, as it's a bit too vague a description for them to find it otherwise, or at least to not potentially find a different ruin somewhere else.

lPlus Alexander draws so much aether from the planet itself that it is specifically stated that it would cause another Calamity if left to run on its own so yeah, sounds like generic primal shenanigans.

Not only that, but from the Alexander Prime fight it is evidently a Light-aspected primal. If it was going to bring about a calamity, it was likely going to be the eighth.

Presuming that he saw their failed attempt, he knows how to make this thing go big.

I think you might be getting your sequence confused, unless I'm the one mistaken.

I'm pretty sure they only made one attempt to summon Alexander, which was the one we saw interrupted by our time travelling incident.

As I said earlier, I don't recall any mention of what happened to the horn after that, but it possible that it fell in the river and then later all the Illuminati has to do was wish really hard in the right place and the primal took form in accordance with their wishes.

[Lyth]

Alexander couldn't be really used to create a 'utopia' by anyone because the upkeep cost was too high. Any timeline in which it remained active would have resulted in the destruction of the Source and all its reflections.

Don't blame Travanchet. He's probably just wanted to fit in with the others by creating his own diabolic plot.

Emet-Selch, whispering: 'Who is that person in the back, the elezen who keeps on randomly showing up to all our meetings?'

Elidibus: 'My name is Elidibus, and my mission... my mission... wait, who are you? Where have you taken me?!'

Emet-Selch: 'No, not you! The other one!'

Deudalaphon: 'Oh, him? No idea. I thought we'd offered him up as a ritualistic sacrifice to Zodiark after the game relaunched.'

[Cleretic]

I think you might be getting your sequence confused, unless I'm the one mistaken.

I'm pretty sure they only made one attempt to summon Alexander, which was the one we saw interrupted by our time travelling incident.

As I said earlier, I don't recall any mention of what happened to the horn after that, but it possible that it fell in the river and then later all the Illuminati has to do was wish really hard in the right place and the primal took form in accordance with their wishes.

Oop, you might be right there, I assumed the Travanchet appearance was after the botched summoning that took Dayan, but I don't think there's actual evidence of that. And the usual wikis I double-check are surprisingly unhelpful on this one.

He is OBVIOUSLY still agitating a weird cult into primal summoning, though. Hell, he doesn't even need to explain primal summoning, he just calls it 'the sacred rite', they already know how to summon a primal.