Learn your history lesson: Witch Hunts DO cause innocents to be banned

[WildTamarind]

Doesn\\'t cactbot just call out the mechanics and show you a timer for them. I can do the same thing by having a guide pulled up with a timer on a second monitor. Because everything is so heavily scripted in these boss fight\\'s you don\\'t really need cactbot to know what is coming up. The only thing I could see this helping with would be world first races, but you would still have to program in the triggers in order to get any use from it. So if no one has seen the fight, no one can put the triggers in. Every one is over worried that these sort of mods are going to ruin the game. The only way these mods will ruin the game is if the developers start basing the fights off the assumption everyone is using cactbot, which is never going to happen.

Here is an example of a guide that shows all timers for when mechanics will go off. https://www.akhmorning.com/raids/p2s/#timeline
You still have to know what to do, and what you are doing which still requires some form of skill.

I am curious if it works with mechanics that are RNG based?

Over all the simplest solution is put some of this stuff in the game. Give players a personal DPS meter, put some of the common UI mods in (hopefully this one will actually happen but SE will find a way to mess it up.

In WoW the developers started designing the game around mods and its what made those raids terrible. This will happen if such mods were allowed. Otherwise the raids would be so piss easy becaise of the mods the game would suffer because of it.

[Lihtleita]

Doesn't cactbot just call out the mechanics and show you a timer for them.

yes, so in fights where there are two mechanics that each have a 50/50 chance to appear (think scythe/axe in shiva savage) the difficulty of the mechanic is identifying the animation and then acting accordingly, not the solution itself.

in short, having a plugin do that for you is essentially skipping a mechanic in those cases. arguably so is having the callout in discord, but the callout guy could still be wrong and has to learn the mechanic to begin with

[Darksummoner]

Or you know... don't cheat.

People should think a little before typing things out. It will make you look more intelligent.

But anyways you should perhaps mind your business as to what someone has on their OWN COMPUTER. If someone has ACT that is their business, if they are using chat bubble mods that is their business, If they want to mod to get a hat on their Hrothgar then that is their business. And using those aren't cheating. People just need to stay in their own lane and stop all the nosey and digging into what is on people's computers.

Now those streamers streaming and using the mods on screen...well those streamers are just stupid and dumb.

[Darksummoner]

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But this ban was apparently ruled in favor of potentially questionable material. So no. It's literally not that simple especially when that kind of mentality is involved.

Tell me, what is your take on witch hunts?

Ummmmmm. Yes it is that simple. What you have on your computer IS YOUR OWN DAMN BUSINESS. NO ONE ELSE'S. No one will give care about a player until they see that they are showing all their mess on screen. until then a person being quiet won't draw attention. Unless the Karen's are going after those minding their own business. But I know some Karen's are narcissistic like that.

[IdowhatIwant]

Stop trying to play dumb. Having a mechanic called out for you before it even shows up on the screen is significantly affecting gameplay for everyone. Literally a mechanic like Naels speech is entirely eroded to nothing since no one needs to check the chat queues, something the fight was designed around. If one person does these callouts for the group, great but there is still a human that needs to not only check, but make the correct callout WHILE handling mechanics and positioning themselves correctly.

Hell if you watch most streamers, if you ever see them attempt the Nael mechanic without callouts, you'll see how much they mess up consistently compared to when they have them. And that's the decisive difference.

Practice makes perfect. Again it seems that many people are ignoring the fact that a lot of this crap is done hour 80+ hours to complete and players simplify it to they cleared because add ons nothing else.

yes, so in fights where there are two mechanics that each have a 50/50 chance to appear (think scythe/axe in shiva savage) the difficulty of the mechanic is identifying the animation and then acting accordingly, not the solution itself.

in short, having a plugin do that for you is essentially skipping a mechanic in those cases. arguably so is having the callout in discord, but the callout guy could still be wrong and has to learn the mechanic to begin with

Does cactbot actually give you information the game does not already give you, or something a guide with timers can give you? Again these fights are heavily scripted which is why I asked if cactbot can even call out RNG mechanics, or if it gives a general idea of x y or z at X:XX.

Ideally if you practice enough, call outs become more of a leisure to be lazy.

[Jaquan]

Practice makes perfect. Again it seems that many people are ignoring the fact that a lot of this crap is done hour 80+ hours to complete and players simplify it to they cleared because add ons nothing else.



Does cactbot actually give you information the game does not already give you, or something a guide with timers can give you. Again these fights are heavily scripted which is why I asked if cactbot can even call out RNG mechanics, or if it gives a general idea of x y or z at X:XX.

Ideally if you practice enough, call outs become more of a leisure to be lazy.

I don't know how you can translate "gives you callout and even solution before the mechanic even shows up" as "gives you info the game gives you anyway". Or how you don't realize that automated call outs require infinitely less attention and juggling than doing a fight and looking up the guide on second monitor or even just memorizing it

[LittleImp]

Does cactbot actually give you information the game does not already give you, or something a guide with timers can give you. Again these fights are heavily scripted which is why I asked if cactbot can even call out RNG mechanics, or if it gives a general idea of x y or z at X:XX.

Ideally if you practice enough, call outs become more of a leisure to be lazy.

Cactbot can do things like pull combatant coordinates out of the network log, do math on it and then instantaneously call out safespots for mechanics with fairly involved reads. It can compile multiple events, like during 5head in EX3, and make conclusions based on multiple random ques. It's not just reading out a timeline, it's actively collecting information and solving mechanics without the involvement of a human.

Not to mention, there are quite a few RNG mechanics Cactbot can read before they are actually visible on the client.

[IdowhatIwant]

I don't know how you can translate "gives you callout and even solution before the mechanic even shows up" as "gives you info the game gives you anyway". Or how you don't realize that automated call outs require infinitely less attention and juggling than doing a fight and looking up the guide on second monitor or even just memorizing it

But it doesn't give you a solution before the mechanic shows up. Also how many people are 1 shotting ultimate, or savage because of cactbot? When this starts happening sure I would maybe consider this as a possible concern. Personally I don't care if people are using cactbot to get there clears, and I am not sure why everyone else is concerned. This add on will never be a requirement to do content, and will never affect the playerbase unless the devs create the content with the intention of players using cactbot which they are not doing.

Edit: Nevermind I guess Lil Imp said it does. I really don't know what all cactbot can do outside of calls, nor do I really care over all.

[MaikoRaines]

Ummmmmm. Yes it is that simple. What you have on your computer IS YOUR OWN DAMN BUSINESS. NO ONE ELSE'S. No one will give care about a player until they see that they are showing all their mess on screen. until then a person being quiet won't draw attention. Unless the Karen's are going those minding their own business. But I know some Karen's are narcissistic like that.

Hi. I never said anything about programs on PC not being anyone else's business. You DO make it everyone else's business when you stream your content without hiding mods.

I said I'm against witch-hunts and doxing regardless of people using 3rd party assistance tools such as ACT and not hiding them in their streams.

However, you broadcast on Twitch and choose to display your add ons, you're painting a target on your back. Stealth is literally out the window at this point Despite people using parses and broadcasting them I don't think these people deserve a ban. But the unanimous losers on 5ch seem to disagree. And the GMs are validating said mass reporting incidents.

[Darksummoner]

Hi. I never said anything about programs on PC not being anyone else's business. You DO make it everyone else's business when you stream your content without hiding mods.

I said I'm against witch-hunts and doxing regardless of people using 3rd party assistance tools such as ACT and not hiding them in their streams.

However, you broadcast on Twitch and choose to display your add ons, you're painting a target on your back. Stealth is literally out the window at this point Despite people using parses and broadcasting them I don't think these people deserve a ban. But the unanimous losers on 5ch seem to disagree. And the GMs are validating said mass reporting incidents.

Then I misunderstood your post, and I do apologize. I am just annoyed at the FFXIV community. It seems a lot people are just going after almost anyone that they feel has addons. I was whispered again last night and was told because my cat girl is standing a certain way that I must be modding. It is like dude wth. That makes 4 times in 9 months that I have been messaged about this. And I don't quite understand either. Cause does your toon stand or sit in a certain way when one is modding. Cause I'm not modding and yet I get whispered. Which makes me think they are jealous or something (Not trying to be Big headed). Just trying to figure all this shit out. Cause it seems to be turning into witch hunts honestly. Let's just get a person even if they look like they are modding.