Japanese FFXIV streamer receives a suspension for using add-ons.

[MrJPtheAssassin]

The 10 days ban is the very last warning you get before a perma ban. It is way more than a slap.

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Well, I change it maybe its more than a slap but I still think it's not that big of a deal. Trust me these streamers will come back from this ban with bigger numbers in views and subs and its not going to hurt them. :P Either way I do hope they learn to not openly display their 3rd party addons bc I think they were really dumb for doing that in the first place and the punishment is well deserved.

[Larirawiel]

Well, I change it maybe its more than a slap but I still think it's not that big of a deal. Trust me these streamers will come back from this ban with bigger numbers in views and subs and its not going to hurt them. :P Either way I do hope they learn to not openly display their 3rd party addons bc I think they were really dumb for doing that in the first place and the punishment is well deserved.

The problem, which Xenosys pointed out, is that the "new" rules are so unsharp, that you could be banned for using Discord, Teamspeak, Excel, a browser etc. And the second good point is, this player got banned for using some functionalities, which the devs themself find good and want to implement them into the game later. That is very inconsequent, imho.


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[RyuDragnier]

The problem, which Xenosys pointed out, is that the "new" rules are so unsharp, that you could be banned for using Discord, Teamspeak, Excel, a browser etc. And the second good point is, this player got banned for using some functionalities, which the devs themself find good and want to implement them into the game later. That is very inconsequent, imho.


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These aren't new rules, they're the same ToS we've always had. For the record, the streamers are getting report bombed by 5chan, which is what is leading to these bans. So as long as streamers don't show the mod UIs on the screen, they cannot be banned.

[Vahlnir]

These aren't new rules, they're the same ToS we've always had. For the record, the streamers are getting report bombed by 5chan, which is what is leading to these bans. So as long as streamers don't show the mod UIs on the screen, they cannot be banned.

Same rules, 0 enforcement until now. lol This entire situation is on SE and the player base, honestly.

[DPZ2]

Same rules, 0 enforcement until now. lol This entire situation is on SE and the player base, honestly.

Why do you believe there has been 0 enforcement until now?

I know of several instances where streamers have received bans, all within the last few years. I have read the posts of any number of players in these forums who have received bans for something, including pics of the gaol in their posts (not the reason for the ban, but additional 'proof' of their ban).

I don't follow every ban that SE lays down on players. I don't believe you do either.

The recent ones just happen to be splashed more across the Internet.

[kaynide]

Same rules, 0 enforcement until now. lol This entire situation is on SE and the player base, honestly.

I like to think it’s been more like:

SE: Guys, don’t do anything to force our hand. If you’re gonna use mods, for gods sake don’t tell anyone.
Rando Streamer blatantly uses mods
Rando mob reports
SE: G’d it guys, we said don’t do it
Rando Mob: OMG GMs don’t enforce da rulez! Wtf!
SE: …fine
SE bans
All hell breaks loose.

[Illmaeran]

The problem, which Xenosys pointed out, is that the "new" rules are so unsharp, that you could be banned for using Discord, Teamspeak, Excel, a browser etc. And the second good point is, this player got banned for using some functionalities, which the devs themself find good and want to implement them into the game later. That is very inconsequent, imho.

If SE make a clear and explicit list of third party programs that are unacceptable, the Mental Gymnasts and Sophists Club will respond with "Well, it's not on that list so it must be ok even though it's against the spirit of the rule.". Just because someone doesn't explicitly say doing something is wrong, doesn't mean it's ok to do when it's abundantly clear that it's against the intent of the rule if not the most technical definition of it.

With that in mind, SE have to be as broad as possible in order to have ground to stand on when they enforce things. I think we can all agree that using Discord as a voice communication platform is WELL within acceptable limits per the spirit and intent of the rule. Voice chat's been used since before I started playing online games in the late 90s and is a core application for many online gamers. In and of itself, VOIP doesn't modify the game files in any way nor provide any automated services or other advantage. A person still has to make callouts with reaction time limited by human ability. It's not putting a marker on the ground where there shouldn't be one. It's not reading game files or information to give the player additional information the base UI doesn't. It's a conference call through a headset.

It's unfortunate that he brought Discord up, but we all know someone would say "But, Discord's third party, it's banned!" etc, etc, etc. For anyone familiar with Japanese communication, the message was pretty clear: Voice chat's ok.