Can we talk about 3rd party tools and disability?

[Faafetai]

Exactly why I have to use Reshader, it's not just a singular on the RGB spectrum. If colours are too close/samey I can't differentiate and instead of to rely on shapes/animations

Which If you got an entire arena and boss and mechanics that are all just a different Shade of the same colour

I'm going to have a much harder time making out just what the heck is going on and that's simply something I can't help with what's provided ingame or through GPU settings. It's very much a problem with the fights design choice.

For me if there are certain shades like yellow on yellow, bright reds, bright yellow greens, oranges I experience sensory overload white on yellow like in mt gulg is especially painful and I know I will have some trouble within the fire bird fight for this tier of 8 man raids. Usually if I get use to the sounds of a fight I can close my eyes and just memorize certain things, but it would be really nice for them to be an option for this especially if they are going to crack down on even entertaining the idea for installing an 'evil' plug in. Not to mention there might not even be audio queue's like leviathans water spout to go off of in some fights. Simple things like bigger cooldown counters, with adjustable colors. A black and white mode. Currently I could adjust my monitor to do this but I would have to do readjust it every time I am playing final fantasy and than turn it back after, and adjusting my monitor colors is already a pain in butt. I just deal with the sensory overload and hope I don't die or let my team down due to a dumb issue I have. I have sun glasses that adjust light spectrums, but wearing those while in a dark room with a monitor is way different than wearing them outside for the sun or bright lights.

I don't mean to be a big jerk to the dev team, but if they are going to crack down and promise they will implement some things into the game later they need to be more specific. I want to know what they will add, if they will add certain things, and if they don't want to do it ask for the communities help, verify plug in's, test them, and go from there. Currently the only way to suggest something to the devs is in game or on the forums (if they even read this one). I know suggestions I have made have never been talked about and highly doubt they look at all of them or plan to add anything similar to possible requests made for accessibility.

[Reelos]

No, it can clearly be fixed with software. If SE is ever going to take a stance on third party addons, they need to step up their accessibility game.

Orange abilities with an orange enemy on an orange background with orange AoE markers was absurd.

While I do agree somewhat. I gotta say... in this particular case... wouldn't a VR Headset take the "monitor" close enough for them to see the whole screen? Just a thought, not trying to offend anyone.

[ManaEterna]

And on the other side of this, I'm also legally blind(one eye doesn't work at all, other is about as impaired as op is) and have very few issues with no third party tools(p3 is one exception).

Issues with p3n/s aren't limited to the visually impaired as well. Orange on orange on orange seems to be hard for everyone to see.

Colorblind settings I could see but if you want to know what helped me most in wow, it wasn't ui mods or graphics changes, it was AUDIO CUES.

Honestly I would love to know what kind of HUD you're playing with and how you overcame most of the challenged you might have encountered in FF14. ＾＾
I'm saying that because I always find it difficult to figure what other peoples are doing that I could also be doing to get a better experience.

Incidentally, I find it "funny" that everyone seems to be complaining about p3s because for me it was one of the easier fight. Orange brings more contrast to me than blue does so it was one of the fight that was the easiest to distinguish for me.
I remember when I did e12s and we were doing with the ice mechanic in the door boss, I literally had to use sunglasses to help with contrast. It felt kind of ridiculous but I guess it worked so whatever. ^^

While I do agree somewhat. I gotta say... in this particular case... wouldn't a VR Headset take the "monitor" close enough for them to see the whole screen? Just a thought, not trying to offend anyone.

You know, I actually considered that at some point (I even tried it) and I have to admit that the idea isn't as bad as you would think it would be. The problem I encountered really was that using a virtual desktop made the game unplayable and VR makes my eyes very dry. But being able to super curve a monitor and make it as big as you want was quite nice. (It's just a shame that it turned into a blurry mess ；；

And one of the problem that hardware solution cannot ever fix is the absolute lack of contrast in a lot of markers. If your source material is a bunch of the same colors, there is only so much you can do on the hardware side.

On software you can make better contrast, you can add settings for people to chose what colors they want their aoe markers, you can add audio cues when things are happening, like for example many EX primal will actually say something as they ready to do a tank buster.

Those are only some ideas of what can be done to help.

One last thing to consider is that most of the assistive technologies for the visually impaired people tend to be very expensive while most of the people that are the target audience for those technologies tend to be poorer.
Even a relatively low quality monitor if it was made for the visually impaired could end up costing thousands of dollars. There is just not enough users for the price to go down and make sense.

[georgiams]

I kind of think you should be taking your disability to a Monitor Manufacturer, not a game dev, you see where I'm going with this?

They surely could create a Monitor for such disabilities.

People with disabilities in general should be taken into consideration. Monitor changing won't fix other problems people have. Plus I don't think they give you special monitors for having a disability, like how with certain scoliosis problems can get you a specific chair that allows you to sit up and do things without suffering is something you can get for free via your hospital. So I'd imagine having a monitor made to accommodate you would be pretty expensive.

[Ralphe2449]

Seriously?? So people with disabilities should just suffer because they were born disadvantaged? Disgusting take on this.

Well I am not the one who made them disadvantaged nor the people around them caused them to be disadvantaged therefore we dont owe them anything, you cant expect others to put themselves in a disadvantage just so they feel on equal ground.

So basic things like buff bars that benefit everyone are absolutely fine but nobody should be getting advantages like addons announcing mechanics because you "cant focus on everything important"

If you cant be aware of what is happening during the encounter and need your hand held then you shouldnt be doing such content to begin with, you are just not built for such type of game.

[GeminiReed]

I was thinking of housing when I read your answer. Is it possible that the housing zero is caused by a third party tool and when housing saw it it answered with a zero wins?

No.

The official explanation is that there were communications issues between two of their servers. When such server clusters are designed the networks they use to speak to one another are isolated from the outside world. If a client-side third party tool was able to influence that network that would be a fundamental network and system architecture flaw that would make Square vulnerable to a variety of malicious actors.

Somebody trying to get an edge in Savage would be penny-ante compared to the hardcore RMT actors and DDOS creators such and exploit would enable.

[Avidria]

While I do agree somewhat. I gotta say... in this particular case... wouldn't a VR Headset take the "monitor" close enough for them to see the whole screen? Just a thought, not trying to offend anyone.

Can't speak for anyone else here of course, but from what I understand VR headsets can give some people nasty motion sickness. Which is also something that can be mitigated, but means it's not necessarily an ideal solution either. They're also not the cheapest thing in the world from what I've seen.

Unless there's a use case I'm missing here. I personally don't use them because I get motion sick super easily lmao

[Doragan]

Minor correction: unlike its sibling Ansel (Nvidia's fancy photography/screenshot mode), Freestyle doesn't require approval or any code integration from a game's developer to work; it's part of the Nvidia driver, so it'll work anywhere. But Nvidia won't list the game on the "officially supported games" page for Freestyle on their website unless the developer has given the thumbs-up.

No way. I thought Ansel and Freestyle were the same thing!
I remember setting it was kind of a pain really, but I guess it could've been a little bit more straightforward..

The color of the target's hit circle can be set by changing the nameplate color for engaged enemies.

I didn't know about that either! Thank you so much.

Well I am not the one who made them disadvantaged nor the people around them caused them to be disadvantaged therefore we dont owe them anything, you cant expect others to put themselves in a disadvantage just so they feel on equal ground.

We? Who is we? Are you a ffxiv dev? You know that you can use accessiblity settings as well, right? No one is getting disadvantaged for more options.
Games are supposed to be fun. You're not supposed to go through pain in order to enjoy a game, and don't tell me they couldn't have changed the colors for p3s, let alone let you change them yourself. That's the kind of change that would've helped everyone involved, and not bother anybody else.

you are just not built for such type of game.

Yeah okay, it's just a repackaged " not every game is built for everybody xD i can do it why cant you?? ", move along.

[georgiams]

Well I am not the one who made them disadvantaged nor the people around them caused them to be disadvantaged therefore we dont owe them anything, you cant expect others to put themselves in a disadvantage just so they feel on equal ground.

So basic things like buff bars that benefit everyone are absolutely fine but nobody should be getting advantages like addons announcing mechanics because you "cant focus on everything important"

If you cant be aware of what is happening during the encounter and need your hand held then you shouldnt be doing such content to begin with, you are just not built for such type of game.

Yet it seems pretty important to this community to accommodate with console players even when it means disadvantages for PC players. I never forced anyone nor made anyone use a console, so why should I care about their needs? That's the same type of idiotic logic that isn't even as selfish and immature as saying something like "I didn't make them disadvantaged so why should I care about their needs?" Some games have this feature called "Accessibility features" that offers players who have disabilities some options to help them in gameplay and not just for one issue such as eyesight which is all FFXIV has to offer. Many people can benefit from things like addons or more features to accommodate their disabilities without being involved in your gameplay and overall experience. I'm not even going to bother listing a number of disabilities that prevent people from being able to perform better or on par with everyone else because you honestly should know about enough of them unless you are 12 years old. It's not as simple as getting "advantages" because you "can't focus on everything important" It runs way deeper than that. It affects the gameplay of certain people to the extent they strain themselves or over stress themselves and suffer through trying to keep up with other players. It makes people not want to play this game. Addons being implemented in MMORPG's allow an extremely large amount of features that can help people with disabilities strive much easier and be able to have fun with the game. It implements a choice in how you can alter the surroundings and lack of features in the game so you have a better time. It's not always about someone else having an advantage over other players. If you think that addons that improve gameplay and also aid people with disabilities is giving a group of people an advantage to the game, why not get the addon yourself if it seems so unfair (obviously implying if that feature is ever added to this stale MMORPG). Every game should abide to those with disabilities because forcing them to be excluded from gaming is unfair and wrong. Saying they shouldn't be doing the content in the first place and aren't built for the type of game is one way to show off your immaturity level and ability to have any compassion for others. It's disgusting

[Ralphe2449]

If you think that addons that improve gameplay and also aid people with disabilities is giving a group of people an advantage to the game, why not get the addon yourself if it seems so unfair (obviously implying if that feature is ever added to this stale MMORPG). Every game should abide to those with disabilities because forcing them to be excluded from gaming is unfair and wrong. Saying they shouldn't be doing the content in the first place and aren't built for the type of game is one way to show off your immaturity level and ability to have any compassion for others. It's disgusting

Because the whole point of an encounter is for you to be able to understand and be in control of what is happening in order to survive and beat it, if you fail to do that after a number of wipes because of an internal disability that doesnt let you comprehend what is going on then you are simply not able to complete that type of content, its the truth and reality no matter how harsh it sounds.

Addons that trivialize mechanics like timers and mechanic announcing should never be allowed no matter how much a person feels they "need" them, not only they trivialize mechanics, they make people depend on them so much so that they suddenly cant function when the addons are broken because they NEVER UNDERSTOOD the mechanics in the first place.

It is quite simple, if you hire someone to do a job, you expect them to do the job, if they cant do the job because of an internal disability you simply find an able person to do it. This is reality, I care about results, feel free to care about empathy and feelings if you wish but that does not justify giving advantages to some so they feel they are on equal ground.