New hrothgar hairstyles are really bad.

[SturmChurro]

I wish he never changed that outlook in the first place with our promised Racially unique hairstyles and then changing his mind without telling anyone about in the first place

Well, apparently, according to him, they never intended on doing hrothgar hairstyles, so they were never supposed to get any of those hairstyles in the first place.

[Akimori]

Well, apparently, according to him, they never intended on doing hrothgar hairstyles, so they were never supposed to get any of those hairstyles in the first place.

Maybe he should chose his words better then :P

[Allegor]

Well, apparently, according to him, they never intended on doing hrothgar hairstyles, so they were never supposed to get any of those hairstyles in the first place.

Assuming he's not just saying that because he forgot, that only makes things worse.

Hrothgars not getting any of the patch hairstyles everyone else can use is understandable, but intentionally making them with only 2 hairstyles per face (8 in total) and not having plans to adding any more, at all, ever, is an objectively bad decision, no matter how many resources, time, manpower, money, or spaghetti code excuses you throw at it.

It's as if the race was meant to be dead on arrival and then were surprised people actually liked the big cat dads... until over half of them changed back after getting tired of being ignored for 3 years. Wouldn't surprise me there's even less Hrothgars around now.

[SturmChurro]

Maybe he should chose his words better then :P

I'm not sure if he remembers even making that promise.

Assuming he's not just saying that because he forgot, that only makes things worse.

Hrothgars not getting any of the patch hairstyles everyone else can use is understandable, but intentionally making them with only 2 hairstyles per face (8 in total) and not having plans to adding any more, at all, ever, is an objectively bad decision, no matter how many resources, time, manpower, money, or spaghetti code excuses you throw at it.

It's as if the race was meant to be dead on arrival and then were surprised people actually liked the big cat dads... until over half of them changed back after getting tired of being ignored for 3 years. Wouldn't surprise me there's even less Hrothgars around now.

Even if he forgot, I think this clearly shows his intention regarding the race, and it explains why they are pretty much never talked about. I think they were meant to be one and done actually. I've had a suspicion for awhile, that prior to ShB launch, SE didn't have as grand of plans for FFXIV going into the future.

[Chikatsu]

Yoshida already laid it out. The quality hairstyles would take significantly longer, and I doubt he has any intention on changing that outlook.

“However, we continued to receive comments asking for more Hrothgar hairstyles to be added somehow. In order to address this feedback, we went with a plan where we would maintain the shape of the head and have the ears “hidden” in the hair, which would allow us to implement new hairstyles in due time.

But as we’ve seen, there have indeed been many comments questioning the lack of ears…

This is something I’m currently torn over. If we were to maintain the style we went with in this update, we would still have to adjust hairstyles to match the shape of Hrothgar heads…

But if every hairstyle update is going to be met with large communities of players saying, “That’s not what we want,” then perhaps we can reconsider. Though it would mean new hairstyles would be added far less frequently, perhaps we could somehow create hairstyles dedicated to those head shapes. But I think that would lower the number of hairstyles we can implement…

It’s difficult to address, since Hrothgar was only made possible because we drew a clear line about this point back then. Honestly speaking, it’s very difficult to create hair in-game, as you might expect. As such, I’m torn over how we should proceed.

Having said that, I understand that players are asking for us to do something about it quickly, but it’s something that will take a long time to address. To this end, I’d very much appreciate it if you could share your feedback with us on the official forums. I’ll have the Community teams compile your feedback and provide a report.”

That bolder part there is what we want to make sure has actually occurred, and to that end they need to communicate that to us instead of leaving us in the dark for three more years. The feedback has been given (at least any that they’re going to get without actually putting effort to question us on their end).

[Akimori]

I'm not sure if he remembers even making that promise.

Thats true. He did essentially say "I never said that", then tried to say it was a translation error, but never deigned to clarify in the 3 years its been up...still isn't clarified to this day

“However, we continued to receive comments asking for more Hrothgar hairstyles to be added somehow.

>Confused on why they received comments asking for hair
>Hroth delivery into XIV was so botched that people were excited at first, but then switched off due to a lack of options for that uniqueness that was originally promised
>"We dont wanna deliver because your population is so small!!"
>Population is small because their customization options are limited
>Finally brings hairs and surprised its hairs that people dont really want

NGL: that announcement seemed so tone deaf that it actually made my head hurt. If I didn't love my hrothgar so much, I would have went back to Miqo'te or Au ri. For something literally no one but the actual producer asked for and wanted, hes treating it very badly. Adding hrothgar as a playable race was a huge mistake...Its causing him and his team so much strife, but only because they're failing to deliver on what their players actually want (Hairstyles, V/H still having to pay full price for Mogstation outfits despite not being able to use the whole thing, etc etc) and giving half baked excuses on why things are the way they are...I wont compared the m*dders to the actual dev team because they dont have to work with certain constraints or rules to follow of SE's work culture or whatever. I think comparing a team that has strict rules to follow to fans who can pretty much do whatever they want is completely unfair, but they really need to step up their game

[SherlottaEryut]

Thats true. He did essentially say "I never said that", then tried to say it was a translation error, but never deigned to clarify in the 3 years its been up...still isn't clarified to this day

True. It’s like I always say though.. despite racial hairstyles potentially being a mistranslation, surely your thread alone could be passed off as a high in demand request instead.

I know a community representative refrains from posting unless absolutely necessary, but it would’ve taken barely a minute to type a response saying “hey guys, that was a mistranslation. Here’s what he actually meant ———“ Instead of letting us wait for years for something that was never coming.

[Chikatsu]

I’d be fascinated to know what constraints the team is dealing with when all modders are doing is stretching Roegadyn hair/hat models by a couple of percent to get it working. It’s not a huge graphics overhaul, because the file for all hats is basically 30mb. No one’s PS4 is gonna catch fire from having to display these, and it sure as hell isn’t a limitation based on quality because the toupees they gave us are so damned laughable. I’d even be willing to cut them a little slack if they actually came out and said that this was a first step to getting official support for hats, except that Hrothgar has been a quarter-assed mess for three years. Whenever they give us a helm that fully replaces the head model, they just take the Roegadyn one and slap it on us, no matter how obviously undersized and skull compressing it is. Same thing goes for weapons, which are frequently too small compared to their appearance on every other race. The excuse of limitations on a ten year old game, which they actively work to expand, having gone from the PS3 to 4, with the 5 still being in beta falls deaf on our newly earless face models. They actively are reworking the 2.0 races, but we are just supposed to sit and wait for whatever scraps are thrown our way. I’m at the point where I strongly urge any Hroth players on PC to take a trip to Google and get fanmade solutions because SE isn’t interested in providing them for us. Everyone in the know will actually see the headgear selections (hairstyles are less uniform), and try to take some measure of the pride in our avatars that everyone else gets to experience by default.

[ArtyTheHrothgar]

I don't think the community expects the problem to be fixed immediately, but rather feedback from the dev team instead of frustrating silence.
Something like "We've read your feedback, we can take it into account/we can't do it but come close to it. But we won't be able to implement the changes until patch XX.XX".

Just something to give us a little spark of hope...

[IckeDerTyp]

Work needs to be paid m'kay~