Doesnt feel like the WoW migration improved the community.

[Moonsprite]

They are both standard healers so overlap is inevitable but I think you are confusing most of them lol.
-PW:shield isn't used on holy priest so I wouldn't include it
-holy nova is more like holy 3
-Assize is more like halo
-I wouldn't say sanctify and prayer are close enough to cure 3 and medica just cause of cool down and positioning.
-boon is completely different then anything in this game like it changes the whole play style for 10-15 sec I forget
-serenity is more of a combo of solace and tetra though I would say it's more like tetra.
-prayer of mending is nothing like solace
-circle of healing is more like a medica or a rapture
-Mass dispel is nothing like medica 2? It doesn't heal and it cures status effects and get rids of enemy status buffs
-power infusion is a dps buff for a single dps (most of the time)
-heal is a single target cast heal with a long cast time and is mana efficient, plenary indulgence is a buff that makes your aoe heal more
-I really didn't use shadow word death in raids so I would say holy word chastise is more like it or holy fire
-flash heal is single target heal that used in emergencies or with flash concentration a buff upkeep, asylum is a hot you put on the ground
-guarding spirit is a 40% healing increase target (that has niches on healing fights) that death saves some one compared to aqua veil puny 15% dr that's nothing
-bell/asylum = divine hymn
-cure 2 = heal
-cure 1 = flash heal

Honestly Idk if you're misremembering or something cause some of these are nothing like they are in wow.

Holy priest does have power word shield. Go check right now. I’ve been playing WoW all last season. It absolutely does. Edit:Symbol of Hope is lucid dreaming for an entire raid, but really how often to people stand still for that. I’m not misremembering anything. There actually was a cool down I forgot divine hymn channeled spell that could match up with litany bell if you like. It’s not exactly great to channel a raidwide heal during mechanics. This is why resto shaman is superior to all healers in WoW anyway. I started to match them up but ran out of skills so sorry the hpriest didn’t match up exactly with whm equivalent. My point remains the same. WoW isn’t any better with healer rotations.

[RobynDaBank]

Holy priest does have power word shield. Go check right now.

TBF you should check what they said, too. They said Shield isn't used on Holy Priest, which is 100% true. Yes, I mained Holy Priest in 9.0.

[Moonsprite]

TBF you should check what they said, too. They said Shield isn't used on Holy Priest, which is 100% true. Yes, I mained Holy Priest in 9.0.

The power word shield is a part of the priest tool kit. It is in the holy priest kit. You can choose not to use it, but it’s there.

I can see all of you are going to die on this hill of ffxiv healers suck, WoW so much better healers hill. Go ahead. I said my opinion is they are the same. You aren’t even listening anymore because you are so focused on proving that Ffxiv healers have it worse, they don’t.

[Acece]

Holy priest does have power word shield. Go check right now. I’ve been playing WoW all last season. It absolutely does. Divine hymn is lucid dreaming for an entire raid, but really how often to people stand still for that. I’m not misremembering anything. There actually was a cool down I forgot holy hymn channeled spell that could match up with litany bell if you like. It’s not exactly great to channel a raidwide heal during mechanics. This is why resto shaman is superior to all healers in WoW anyway. I started to match them up but ran out of skills so sorry the hpriest didn’t match up exactly with whm equivalent. My point remains the same. WoW isn’t any better with healer rotations.

I mean actively used lol, also symbol of hope regens mana and reduces def cds. Divine hymn is the 2 min cd that heals the whole raid. you are comparing completely different skills together lol. I want you to look at a log of whm vs holy priest in savage and tell me what spell they holy priests uses 80% or more of casts.

Edit: ok I did the work for you this is my first clear on p2s, so a prog fight first or 2nd week


Here's on of the top damage holy priest with good healing for slyv


See something different in these logs??? see completely the same.

[Shurrikhan]

Holy priest does have power word shield. Divine hymn is lucid dreaming for an entire raid, but really how often to people stand still for that. I’m not misremembering anything. There actually was a cool down I forgot holy hymn channeled spell that could match up with litany bell if you like.

"Isn't used" (because it's rather mana-inefficient and comparatively absent of synergies) =/= "doesn't exist". You might want to read what you've quoted before responding to it.

Divine Hymn is the heal, not the raid-wide Refresh. The latter is Symbols of Hope. As they have been for many, many years.

Tl;dr: You are misremembering a fair bit.

My point remains the same. WoW isn’t any better with healer rotations.

For my part, we'll have to agree to disagree, then. There is objectively more that can be done --more play-flow features and encounter contexts that can be utilized well and distinctly-- in most WoW healer kits than in XIV healer kits.

I repeatedly said the abilities weren’t matched up. I also said I mistyped divine hymn instead of symbol of hope.

You're missing the forest for having apparently struck a tree rather too hard.

See where 32.8% of GCDs were offensive on one, and no single button was used more than 15.6% of GCDs, on the one?

See where 100% of GCDs were offensive on the other, and a single button (Broil III) made up 97.7% of all GCDs cast, on the other?

[Moonsprite]

Bro I mean actively used lol, also symbol of hope regens mana and reduces def cds. Divine hymn is the 2 min cd that heals the whole raid. you are comparing completely different skills together lol. I want you to look at a log of whm vs holy priest in savage and tell me what spell they holy priests uses 80% or more of casts.

I didn’t misremember the abilities. I said repeatedly that I didn’t match them up exactly. Go ahead keep harping on this. It’s fine. I said my point. I did mistype symbol of hope. It doesn’t matter. Anyone can look at the skills/abilities and see they are so similar that the kits are almost identical.

Also I don’t like being called bro, I’m not one so I don’t like it.

[Moonsprite]

I mean actively used lol, also symbol of hope regens mana and reduces def cds. Divine hymn is the 2 min cd that heals the whole raid. you are comparing completely different skills together lol. I want you to look at a log of whm vs holy priest in savage and tell me what spell they holy priests uses 80% or more of casts.

Edit: ok I did the work for you this is my first clear on p2s, so a prog fight first or 2nd week


Here's on of the top damage holy priest with good healing for slyv


See something different in these logs??? see completely the same.

I repeatedly said the abilities weren’t matched up. I also said I mistyped divine hymn instead of symbol of hope. Yes I know it’s used, like tranquility raidwide heal. I said it’s inconvenient because it’s channeled. I meant symbol of hope to compare to lucid dreaming. I apologize that I confused everyone so much by not aligning things perfectly. I still stand by what I said about the kits being extremely similar to the point of being the same.

Edit: Also the only thing your logs prove to me is that ffxiv doesn’t let you use your full kit, not that it isn’t there. It’s a gameplay issue in difficulty, not a kit issue. Do you not have to heal at all in savage content? I changed my mind. If that’s all you’re doing in savage then I concede defeat with that. That isn’t healing like WoW at all so you did prove me wrong as far as difficult content is concerned. You have a kit you just don’t get to use any of it. That’s lame. I’m sorry.

[Acece]

I didn’t misremember the abilities. I said repeatedly that I didn’t match them up exactly. Go ahead keep harping on this. It’s fine. I said my point. I did mistype symbol of hope. It doesn’t matter. Anyone can look at the skills/abilities and see they are so similar that the kits are almost identical.

Also I don’t like being called bro, I’m not one so I don’t like it.

They overlap but they play completely different. Whm for healing we mainly use rapture, asylum, PI, and assize(sometimes). things like aqua veil and divine benison we don't need to use cause tanks can keep themselves up without it. We only use gcd heals during emergencies, so there goes most of our healing with us relying on 3 (4 if you consider assize) heals. Dps wise whm uses glare, dia(30 sec), assize, and misery every min.

Meanwhile holy priest needs to use almost all their spells with certain exceptions like renew and shield. Holy priest needs to actively keep track of their heals, buffs, debuffs, cd's and damage. meanwhile whm just kind of poops out healing every raid wide and presses glare 150+ times.

Tbh this long winded post mainly is just say I really want to actively think when I heal, I wanna multi task it what makes healing fun to me.

Also sorry for calling you bro.

IPost all the logs you want. Feel like you’ve proven me wrong if it makes you feel better. I’m sure you’ll get lots of loves for going against the villain who dared say WoW healers aren’t better than ffxiv healers because ffxiv healers are tragic because of their subpar healing kits that WoW does so much better.

Also the only thing your logs prove to me is that ffxiv doesn’t let you use your full kit, not that it isn’t there. It’s a gameplay issue in difficulty, not a kit issue.

Difference in opinion I guess, if you looked at all that and think wow and ffxiv kits are same then idk what to tell you.

All logs are like this including ultimates. This isn't content difficulty its the way the game works.

[Larirawiel]

This is only true in the highest forms of content like mythic raiding.

That is not true. The incoming damage in a 5-man-content or raid in WoW is way higher than in FF14. And the bosses hit much harder in comparison. So the healers must spend more time with healing and not doing damage.



Cheers

[Droxybrobotnik]

Did you somehow expect an influx from a more toxic community to improve things? I expected almost the opposite, what I was hoping for was that the WoW refugees, or whatever is hip to call them nowadays, would be won over by the more chill community, which did a time seemed to be the case, but PLEASE! It doesn't matter where we came from, just where we are and what we do. And this is still a community I've had very positive experiences with. Outside of the forums, that's where the people who are not happy with simply playing the game goes.