Can PVP ever be good in this game?

[Sidamel]

He isn't trolling. He simply stats a fact there was quiet a few ppl doing frontlines/rw more seriously, because it had its own charm.

Simply saying that it was dead is not the truth.

It's fine, if you don't/didn't like it. And yes, it could be chaotic but that's part of that mode. That chaos and the unpredicatable result is the reason I liked it.

In feast you almost know the result many times the moment you enter and see with who you play. I guess in CC it's the same.

[Zer0]

I think PvP is currently in a state that can be considered as good. It is by no means perfect, but it is in a playable state and every Job can make a meaningful difference in all avaiable PvP Modes.

Are we playing the same game? I don't think we are. When I tried pvp as a dancer it just felt like I was the weakest person there. Did no damage, had no health. Died way too fast and offered nothing to the table at all. PvP in this game is garbage and pure dog shit. It's not fun in any way shape or form.

[Sindele]

I mean, no class with an LB as good as DNC's is ever going to be truly useless. It might as well read 'ping your party that it's coming and then press for 2+ free kills'. 4 seconds of hard unpurifiable CC that reels people in is horrifying.

[VictorSpoils]

If the rigged matchmaking stops consistently putting me on losing teams in Frontlines, sure.

[Lieri]

I feel like LB is a huge challenge in PVP to balance. In any PVP game one shot kill is always a problem. And in FFXIV it is built in naturally. Second problem is the animations. Its fine in PVE because you can remember patterns so even if the visual is cluttered you know whats going on through memorization. In PVP nothing is deterministic and the over the top animations make it hard to view or target a player.

[drtasteyummy]

I can barely imagine that it's ever gonna be good.

- The jobs are unbalanced to a level only an absolute noob would design
- The server tickrate is beyond unbearable
- The matchmaking is unbalanced
- The maps are designed by someone without pvp knowledge
- The map objective is the worst possible implementation

There is so much wrong with CConflict alone, like sure the turd has a nice form but it's a turd nonetheless.

[Ransu]

The server tick rate is the worst part. I'm tired of popping guard at half health and then watching it drop to 10% because the server took a second to register I had guard up.

[Mistress_Irika]

No one legitimately enjoys frontlines and if they say they do they are straight up lying. Its pure aoe zerg with zero skill involved. People only queue for it because its a roulette that gives a ton of exp. Without that no one would play frontlines.

I've grinded frontlines for 2 straight expansions. While I didn't like the changes during Shadowbringers I still grinded frontlines. I don't see why it has to be bashed on besides the increase RNG that we've been getting.
I can't make any judgements on how it is now, because I decided not to go in after looking at the potencies. It's just too easy to kill. I don't feel like playing with latency on the Guard ability, especially since there's certain classes that can do piercing damage.

[Zer0]

I've grinded frontlines for 2 straight expansions. While I didn't like the changes during Shadowbringers I still grinded frontlines. I don't see why it has to be bashed on besides the increase RNG that we've been getting.
I can't make any judgements on how it is now, because I decided not to go in after looking at the potencies. It's just too easy to kill. I don't feel like playing with latency on the Guard ability, especially since there's certain classes that can do piercing damage.

Put it this way, it's impossible to create a worse PvP system than frontlines even if you set out to attempt to make the single worst mmo pvp systems ever made. You'd still end up with an improvement over this.

Right now the entire development team on PvP needs to be fired.

[LowIQ]

Put it this way, it's impossible to create a worse PvP system than frontlines.

There's nothing wrong with Frontline at its core. Mass pvp isn't anything new or special.

The problem is that the new pvp we have now isn't compatible with any kind of large scale engagements.