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    Quote Originally Posted by IdowhatIwant View Post
    From what Yoshi P has said, this is what we are supposed to do. Go on the forums, and discuss things we like and dislike as feed back for them to create better content.

    I think a lot of this doom and gloom has been that this expansion has had a lot of issues so far. You had the crazy queue times at launch, the housing issue, and class changes and reworks that are controversial. While many players think that this has been the best expansion story so far, others think it has been the worst. So I can see why people are vocally upset, with what all has been dealt with this expansion.

    Outside of that, it feels more concrete than last expansion that the devs are going in a direction with the game that divides the player base as well. Some people like the simpler job design and more accessibility while others find it is affecting content they enjoy. So there is a lot of controversy over all. I will leave it with what Denji Said
    When is there ever not controversy? Didnt I hear people actually complain of the state of Shadowbringers? Despite being lauded as the best expansion this game had, a lot of people here still had their complaints? I dont even want to know how the forums handled Stormblood, and I'm sure Heavensward and ARR era days were just as negative and bad. Basically I believe there never was a time in these forums where "everyone was content and satisfied" otherwise we wouldnt even have this game constantly improve.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Atelier-Bagur View Post
    When is there ever not controversy? Didnt I hear people actually complain of the state of Shadowbringers? Despite being lauded as the best expansion this game had, a lot of people here still had their complaints? I dont even want to know how the forums handled Stormblood, and I'm sure Heavensward and ARR era days were just as negative and bad. Basically I believe there never was a time in these forums where "everyone was content and satisfied" otherwise we wouldnt even have this game constantly improve.
    Depends as what you define as the best expansion. ShB has the best story I will give it that. Outside of that the content was lacking, and the class design took a huge hit, which is why I said this expansion made it more concrete with the direction the devs were going.
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    Quote Originally Posted by IdowhatIwant View Post
    Depends as what you define as the best expansion. ShB has the best story I will give it that. Outside of that the content was lacking, and the class design took a huge hit, which is why I said this expansion made it more concrete with the direction the devs were going.
    Exactly my point. Everywhere I go I see people praise Shadowbringers for being the best expansion....but its usually because of story, while others scoff at Stormblood....but its because of the story.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Atelier-Bagur View Post
    Exactly my point. Everywhere I go I see people praise Shadowbringers for being the best expansion....but its usually because of story, while others scoff at Stormblood....but its because of the story.
    Story fans be story fans? I don't know what to tell you there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Atelier-Bagur View Post
    When is there ever not controversy? Didnt I hear people actually complain of the state of Shadowbringers? Despite being lauded as the best expansion this game had, a lot of people here still had their complaints? I dont even want to know how the forums handled Stormblood, and I'm sure Heavensward and ARR era days were just as negative and bad. Basically I believe there never was a time in these forums where "everyone was content and satisfied" otherwise we wouldnt even have this game constantly improve.
    It’s been an incredible experience watching people go from complaining about the issues with SHB to stating it’s the best. So much doom and gloom and now it’s seen as the glory years. I’ll look forward to Endwalker getting the same treatment at the expense of whatever comes next, should be interesting lol
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    There are two quotes I am reminded of anytime there is a change followed by people who rage at every little thing...

    Every community is a gull gliding over a sea of spite, eager for carrion, all to ready to steal, and all too quick to squawk when stolen from.

    But given time, horror fades, and repetition makes what was unthinkable now normal; the monstrous is made manageable. For mankind adapts to every horror.
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    When you deal with human beings, never count on logic or consistency.

    Fluid like water. Smooth like silk. Pepperoni like pizza.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Atelier-Bagur View Post
    I dont even want to know how the forums handled Stormblood, and I'm sure Heavensward and ARR era days were just as negative and bad. Basically I believe there never was a time in these forums where "everyone was content and satisfied" otherwise we wouldnt even have this game constantly improve.
    It was the same. Stormblood had a lot of launch maintenance because people could not progress in the MSQ when the solo battle instances were full. Worlds were full because of people getting around the auto-logout, but instead of fixing it in Stormblood, they were emptied of players once a day. You also had people who didn't think it was as good as Heavensward. The rest was the same sort of complaints such as not having level 90 abilities in Sastasha.
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    In other news, there is no technical debt from 1.0.
    "We don't have ... a technological issue that was carried over from 1.0, because ARR was meant to kind of discard what we had from 1.0 and rebuild it from the engine."
    https://youtu.be/ge32wNPaJKk?t=560

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    Quote Originally Posted by Atelier-Bagur View Post
    When is there ever not controversy? Didnt I hear people actually complain of the state of Shadowbringers? Despite being lauded as the best expansion this game had, a lot of people here still had their complaints? I dont even want to know how the forums handled Stormblood, and I'm sure Heavensward and ARR era days were just as negative and bad. Basically I believe there never was a time in these forums where "everyone was content and satisfied" otherwise we wouldnt even have this game constantly improve.
    IDK when you joined this game but what was previously the refuge of hardcore raiders - complaints about jobs becoming braindead which started since Stormblood - seems to be a welcome abode for even casual players these days.

    Sure people complained about SB and ShB but it has never been this bad.

    I remember when my complaint posts get ratioed all the time back in SB/ShB.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Skiros View Post
    IDK when you joined this game but what was previously the refuge of hardcore raiders - complaints about jobs becoming braindead which started since Stormblood - seems to be a welcome abode for even casual players these days.

    Sure people complained about SB and ShB but it has never been this bad.

    I remember when my complaint posts get ratioed all the time back in SB/ShB.
    Oh from looking at a glimpse of previous patches online, especially during ARR days I can just imagine the amount of negativity people would've been posting in these forums. Too lazy to actually check but like I said even during WoW's early days; the forums were filled with nothing but doomsayers and its lead me to believe that this is just forum culture in general; Mostly filled with people's hot takes, complaints, whines and actual good criticism sprinkled in between these threads.
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    Keep in mind hardcore players doomsaying don't mean anything. Except of course when the Casuals leave and the game gets progressively worse with Hardcore players staying and eventually developers focusing on the more vocal hardcore players like whats going on in WoW right now.
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