VIERA AND HROTHGAR COMPLAINT MEGATHREAD

[Adamantini]

But again, i am asshole now: Choose another race if you want wear helmets. Because Viera and Hrothgar do not wear helmets...

I'll also be an asshole now: I don't play with another race, because I don't want to.
I like to be viera.
I like having big bunny ears.
I like how the emotes were made.
I like the way he walks.
I like the voice options.
And I like this race so much, that I want it to have the same things that the others have.
Why do I have to be the only race that can't wear certain helmets? Just because of the ears? BS!

[SturmChurro]

If Au Ra horns clip and they don't care, why are we having our knickers in a twist over this potentially clipping?

"Clipping" (and "unique heads") is just an excuse, in my opinion. Like I was saying, I think it's actually that they don't want to do the work. If there wasn't so much clipping already in the game, then I could actually understand the excuse more. I don't really care for the excuses anymore. The quality of viera hairs, largely, isn't even that good.

[Midareyukki]

@Midareyukki

"Because if you did, you'd have gotten the point by now."

You didnt got my point either.... and you write about the same all the time again, that you want that because you think your race should get it like every other one... no, the races we choosed are not like the others, you dont understand this, you dont want understand this...
You come with the technical facts how Miqos are, how Lalafels are, thats not the point here, the point is: Hrothgar and Vieras dont wear these humanhelmets... thats the only point, no point else you argue with...


but however.... like i said: i wish you luck with that and that you get what you think you have to have on your race.

At this point I'm just convinced you are 100% a troll account.

"Dont come with such arguments i simply can use in the direct way against you... doesnt work out this way." It does. All you do is resort to ad hominems and accusations, yet haven't you noticed NO ONE IS AGREEING WITH YOU? I'm stating facts at you, while you just repeat the same old bullcrap every day.

The races we chose aren't like the others due to dev oversight and technical mishandling, not because they're meant to be special. A lack of a common feature doesn't make races special.

"Clipping" is just an excuse. Like I was saying, I think it's actually that they don't want to do the work. If there wasn't so much clipping already in the game, then I could actually understand the excuse more. I don't really care for excuses anymore. The quality of viera hairs largely isn't even that good.

Yeah. Like. You know it's bad and really awkward when you enter Endsinger EX and her hair is clipping through itself the moment you look at her. And it stays that way for most of her idle animation.

[juicybug]

Modders have also made stuff for helmets to work. It just hides the face model. It's not like Hrothgar aren't used to having their faces be replaced with humanoids in general by now, so it won't make that big a problem. As for Viera, I haven't personally tried them out, but I doubt they would look any worse for wear. Stuff would look ridiculous on some stuff I'd wager, which a little bit of tweaking would fix, but they would be no more ridiculous than half the modern stuff on Au Ra or Miqo'te as it is.


Three things
a) Square Enix has done three CGI movies and a bunch of photorealistic games since 2010. This level of graphic quality is peanuts for them. It's even what led to the infamous flower pot with more frames than a playable character back in 1.0, so if they can do a good job with low-poly stuff, this should be easy for them. Even the FF12 team would laugh.
b) For those who think "Oh, well they're using a low-end engine", first of all, it's the same engine as FF15 but scaled slightly down to work for an MMORPG. And secondly, as awkward as that engine might be, doing stuff like this is wholly within the engine's capabilities. Otherwise Modders wouldn't be able to do it themselves. Some stuff is as simple as a Metadata Switch, no adjustments required.
c) For those who still think "Oh but that'll push the polygon count"... a) You sure about that? You sure it will be that drastic a change? and b) That can be fixed.
People can't complain about bloody grapes in the new area and be so butthurt about player characters walking around with hats. I get we'd be more numerous than grapes... but the double standard persists. Grapes had more support than headgear for these races.

I went back and edited my post when I found helmet images of hrothgar, you caught my unedited post ^^

[SturmChurro]

Yeah. Like. You know it's bad and really awkward when you enter Endsinger EX and her hair is clipping through itself the moment you look at her. And it stays that way for most of her idle animation.

It's also used as an excuse by many for the exclusion of a number of other customization options. Like longer hair, for example. It's always laughable, because, just the other day, I saw someone's bangs clipping directly through the front of their mask.

[Shiazirah]

" yet haven't you noticed NO ONE IS AGREEING WITH YOU"

think twice...

this is the thread where you WANT somehting, so its normal all here agree to you because YOU ALL want it...


not that difficult to understand eh?

could see you as a troll too... the point is you turn your agruments from one side where you expect to get somehting you just think its a missing thing... dont know where you take it from but okay..

"A lack of a common feature doesn't make races special" (how you see it)

the speciality of the race results in a lack of features. (how SE see it)

thats the right term, i hope you get it...




" I'm stating facts at you, while you just repeat the same old bullcrap every day."

which facts? that you think there are missing things? thats not a fact, thats an opinion...

[Midareyukki]

I went back and edited my post when I found helmet images of hrothgar, you caught my unedited post ^^

Sorry >.<!!

Still, yeah I agree with you, was just adding to it. Good shout.

drivel

You been reading Adamantini? If not for me, then at least what they say. Please. Before my sanity drops to zero harder than an HP Lovecraft protagonist.

PS: didn't you ask for an opinion? You asked why people wanted these hats. That involves opinions. We gave you opinions AND facts on the situation. So uh... Yeah.

[Heavenchild]

When I see Shiazirah's current profilepicture..., I see wolf ears. Shiazirah hides the bunnyears itself. :')
Why? Is she no Viera? : o

Okay sowwy, I become mean. :/
SE has to show more love for Hroth and Viera and put some work in adjusting stuff. That's just true
and honestly, I don't think that this is a point to debate. It's just something that has to be done to make the gamer better for all players. :3

[Shiazirah]

When I see Shiazirah's current profilepicture..., I see wolf ears. Shiazirah hides the bunnyears itself. :')
Why? Is she no Viera? : o

Okay sowwy, I become mean. :/
SE has to show more love for Hroth and Viera and put some work in adjusting stuff. That's just true
and honestly, I don't think that this is a point to debate. It's just something that has to be done to make the gamer better for all players. :3

You are not mean, i have 7 Buns on Louisoux, so no worries about bunnyears... i am a roleplayer and as such one i decided to play Sirineh as a big Lynx, but if you wish i may find my real bunny i am playing through the MSQ right now...



@Midareyukki

i have just a request okay...?


1. If you read some of my posts i wrote i wish you all luck to get what you guys want on the Viera and Hrothgar. That is independent of my personal opinion about acceptence of races "like they are". Okay?? Because i agree to all of you, that the player shall decide what they wanna wear and what not.

2. My last post was ment to show how you (all) argue and i get your point, its simple, i get your point! But that doesnt mean SE do it, and how SE is reacting is under it. simple too, okay? SE dont need things you call facts. they are the developers, they decide what will happen or what not... there is nothing more left than to try, accept or leave.



So, could you (rest too) please accept, i really mean it, that i wish us all luck with that request of hats, helmets and hairstyles? Okay??

and now a good night, s getting late here...

[Midareyukki]

SE has to show more love for Hroth and Viera and put some work in adjusting stuff. That's just true
and honestly, I don't think that this is a point to debate. It's just something that has to be done to make the gamer better for all players. :3

Well... We know that they're planning on working on the older races for the time being. Question now is whether when it's our time they'll address all the issues. Not just hairstyles and headgear, but also fixing our models. Because people in the Hrothgar Hairstyles thread have already shown that Hrothgar models are very wonkily made.

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Sis. I understand that. I really do. You just asked why we didn't accept these races as they were, and I told you why, even directed you at reasons that were made that only served to justify the lack of hairstyles rather than an attempt at addressing the issue. That, and I told you that we were never told to expect ALL THIS, at least not for this long.

Those aren't opinions, those ARE facts. Another fact, for example, is how Hrothgars weren't told that they wouldn't be able to change hairstyles at all, and Square never once admitted to that until this patch. And even then, it took Hrothgars demanding an answer for them to include any mention to begin with. That wasn't a feature, it made no one feel special at all. People felt neglected.

I'm just saying "stop accusing me of stuff when you yourself aren't listening". You're the one insisting on not understanding why we want this. Otherwise I'm fully aware you end every message with "good luck".

Also, have a good night.